Home audio & video: Connect HD DVR to a DVD Recorder without loss in HD quality
Not true.
by brookeb - 8/20/06 10:39 AM In reply to: Recording HD to DVD Recorders by Barrie55I have a Pioneer DVD-Recorder with an 80 Gig Hard Drive (probably an older model) and I'm able to record High Definition programs and transfer them to DVDs just fine.
The only problem is that the high-def programming is recorded at a different format, so the picture I get is about 2/3 the size of the original.
It's OK if you MUST have the picture quality high-def brings you, but I rarely record high-def programming because most of my cable signal is digital, so the regular channels give me the quality I can live with.
HD recording
by Dan Filice - 8/20/06 10:24 PM In reply to: Not true. by brookebbrookeb,
I'm interested in how you have your HD cable box connected to your DVD recorder. Are you using the component cables or HDMI? And, are you using an HD DVD recorder...such as a BluRay or HD-DVD recorder? If you record anything to a standard DVD, it's not HD. And, if you are not using blank BluRay or HD DVD media, it's not HD.
Recording HD to DVD Recorders
by Outlier - 8/21/06 4:15 PM In reply to: Recording HD to DVD Recorders by Barrie55Barrie55, are you sure that the HD copyright prevention isn't a result of the actual movie being copyrighted? My LG RC199H DVD recorder can record programs off of HD channels but not all. For example, many movies from HBO are copyrighted so the LG gives a message that it can't be recorded. But I can still record alot of other programs from HD channels that aren't copyrighted. Obviously they won't be as high in quality as ''true'' HD (since I can only use an S-video cable) but they do seem to have noticeably higher quality than their regular non-HD channel counterparts (I paid $50 for a Monster Ultra 1000 S-video cable).
By the way, my dual tuner DVR from Time Warner has HDMI, RCA, component, and S-video outputs. It's a Motorola 6412. I guess I'm lucky that it had an S-video output.
You're right though, if you plan to record alot of copyrighted HD movies, then you'll have to wait until HD/Blueray DVD recorders and ripping software comes out.
Interesting test
by Dan Filice - 8/21/06 5:23 PM In reply to: Recording HD to DVD Recorders by OutlierI record Discovery HD to VHS, so I would assume that I might meet with the same "non-copy" issue from some HD HBO movies, etc. I'll have to try that. The reason your "HD to DVD recording" looks better is because the source material is much better than a lot of crud that airs on standard broadcast. I'm not sure, but I wonder if the HD material is recording in 480p? This would account for the better picture, even through an S-Video connection.
A word about copyrighted programs
by Outlier - 8/21/06 7:30 PM In reply to: Interesting test by Dan FiliceDan, long before I got the HD and the DVD recorder, I was recording using VHS. The VHS was connected to the TV via the RF coaxial cable (not through RCA or component cables). I was able to record any program to VHS tape, even copyrighted HBO movies. Then I got a regular non-HD DVR with DVD recording capability (it was an LG). The copyrighted HBO movies could be recorded into the DVR but when I tried burning it to DVD through the same DVR, a message appeared that it could not be recorded due to copyright. Then I tried recording the same copyrighted movies just using VHS and it worked fine.
Afterwards I bought a DVD/VHS recorder so that I could convert VHS to DVD. When I tried converting those same copyrighted movies from VHS to DVD, low and behold, a message appeared saying that they were copyrighted and could not be copied to DVD.
An interesting test would be to connect your VHS machine to your computer using a video card and try to burn a copyrighted movie to DVD using a computer DVD-ROM (with the appropriate software).
VHS to DVD I've done...
by Dan Filice - 8/21/06 11:57 PM In reply to: A word about copyrighted programs by OutlierAll you need is a proper analog-to-digital converter that side-steps copyguard. I've copied VHS movies to DVD many times. It's just not worth it, for all the time it takes, and the quality suffers. Anytime you convert to digital, the blacks and contrast suffer, no matter what you do. I didn't copy a VHS movie for any illegal purpose. I did it because the movie isn't in DVD format yet and I simply wanted to get it to a DVD so I can take it on vacation with me to watch on my portable DVD player. But it's a pain. Anyone who does this with any regularity is (IMHO) an idiot. For $10, buy the DVD. And, if the movie exists in a DVD format, ripping programs are MUCH easier to use than importing an entire 2hr movie in real time, not to mention the time it takes to encode the video and burn the DVD. Anyways, once the analog video signal is converted to DV, I import it into my computer via Firewire, use my software to format the movie, then burn the DVD. I use a Mac, so all of the above steps are very simple.
Analog-to-digital converter
by Outlier - 8/22/06 12:15 PM In reply to: VHS to DVD I've done... by Dan FiliceDan, I've never used an analog-to-digital converter but I've taped programs on VHS to my digital camcorder (long before I got the DVD/VHS combo recorder). In effect this is converting it to DV format because it goes onto my camcorder's DV mini-tape. After that, I've done the same and imported the DV tape into my computer with firewire. But you're right, it's a big pain and hassle to go through the process. Does your analog-to-digital converter still have to go through a DV mini-tape before going into your computer? What is the make/model of it?
Converter
by Dan Filice - 8/22/06 2:04 PM In reply to: Analog-to-digital converter by OutlierOutlier,
My converter is made by Canopus. The model was ADVC-100, which was replaced with newer models. My model had a hidden ability to bypass copyguard if you pressed and held certain buttons for 15 seconds and I don't think the newer models have this ability. And no, I don't need to feed VHS to DV tape. Any analog device (VHS deck, old 8mm camcorder, etc) plugs into the converter, either by RCA or S-Video plugs, and the converter spits out Firewire which goes directly into the computer. Basically, I have a VHS/DVD combo deck plugged permanently into the converter which is plugged permanently into my Mac. I use it now primarily to record some TV shows on VHS and burn DVDs of them for future multiple viewings. Such as recently, I recorded the HBO comdey special from Lewis Black and I burned a DVD of it. It's hilarious and I watch it often.
How to record to use on PC
by jb_222 - 8/26/06 4:24 PM In reply to: Connect HD DVR to a DVD Recorder without loss in HD quality by OutlierI just purchased an LG RC199H DVD/VHS RECORDER AND I'M UNABLE TO READ A SONY DVD+R RECORDED ON THIS RECORDER ON
1-THE SONY DVD+RW DW-Q58A DVD/CD BURNER ON MY DELL LATTITUDE D620 WITH DUAL CORE LAPTOP
OR THE
2-SONY DVD RW DRU-800A USB CONNECTED TO THE SAME LATTITUDE D620
Can you help me make adjustments (when recording or on my pc)to enable one or both of these to read and play the dvd on my pc and other pcs.
other info - windows xp
Thank you.
jb_222@hotmail.com
Finalize the DVD to make it play on other devices
by Outlier - 8/28/06 4:55 PM In reply to: How to record to use on PC by jb_222JB_222, there are 2 things I can think of:
1) You need to finalize the DVD. If you don't finalize it, it won't be able to play on other devices. To finalize the DVD, press Home on the remote, then go to Easy Menu, then Disc Manager, then Finalize. Note the instructions on the user's manual was incorrect on how to locate this.
2) I think that was your problem. If this didn't work, I personally recommend Memorex DVD's. I don't work for Memorex but ever since I've had a CD burner and a DVD burner, they've seemed to be the most reliable. Just a personal opinion.
Hope this helped...
New DVD Recorder with Component input!!
by tfriel - 9/8/06 7:21 PM In reply to: Connect HD DVR to a DVD Recorder without loss in HD quality by OutlierHey,
Was looking at your original post here, I recently saw advertised and actually just purchased the Polaroid DVD Recorder DRM-2001-G. This is stand alone DVD recorder with 80 GB HD built in, but what really attracted me was that it had a component INPUT as well as output.
I don't have the HD DVR Cable box, but I do have regular digital HD cable box, which I plan to hook up to DVD Recorder. I realize this will not record true HD quality, but it should still be pretty good.
Also of note, reading in other forums, this DVD recorder can easily be upgraded, plug and play style with much larger HD....pretty sweet deal, not too expensive.
Jjust thought you would like to know, there is at least one DVD recorder with Component INPUT.
Polaroid DRM-2001G DVD Recorder
by Outlier - 9/8/06 11:04 PM In reply to: New DVD Recorder with Component input!! by tfrielHey, thanks for the info. I tried looking up info on the Polaroid DVD recorder and I found this page:
http://www.polaroid.com/global/detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441764403&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302032643&bmLocale=en_US
The page doesn't mention anything about component input. Are you seeing this with your own eyes on your own machine? Or is there a webpage that has a pic of the back? If so, could you give me the url?
I'm a little surprised to see that a newly released DVD recorder doesn't play or record the newest DVD format, the DVD-RAM. At least that's what the page says, do you know differently?
As I mentioned in earlier posts, my HD box is also a DVR. It looks like this Polaroid DVD Recorder also acts as a DVR with the 80 GB drive. It'd be interesting to hook up my HD DVR to another DVR. An advantage of this would be that I could probably record a program without having to watch it (I could simply switch the input and watch TV as a DVD is being recorded).
Can you tell me if this machine has the option to automatically or manually create chapters? Some DVD recorders (like the Panasonic) don't have the ability to do this unless it's a DVD-RAM. And what are its slow motion speeds? My LG has slow motion speeds of 1/16, 1/8, 1/4, and 1/2. I want this because I watch and records lots of sports.
I have about a week left to return my LG and I might do so if you reply in time. Thanks!
Polaroid DRM-2001G DVD Recorder
by ecurb1 - 9/9/06 6:32 PM In reply to: Polaroid DRM-2001G DVD Recorder by OutlierI downloaded the manual. It doesn't do RAM disks. Slowest playback is 1/8. It has component video in back.
Polaroid DRM-2001G DVD Recorder
by Outlier - 9/9/06 11:11 PM In reply to: Polaroid DRM-2001G DVD Recorder by ecurb1ecurb1, does it at least have the ability to create chapters? (either automatically or manually)
RE: Polaroid DRM-2001G DVD Recorder
by tfriel - 9/9/06 8:08 PM In reply to: Polaroid DRM-2001G DVD Recorder by OutlierWell, I have good news....and I have bad news.
Yes, there most definetly is component INPUT and OUTPUT, the bad news is, I hooked up High Def Cable box component out, to the DVD component input, but when I tuned in the HD channels....the picture is scrambled....not sure if it is a resolution or problem with the cable. Now the recorder also has S-Video input, which i used next, the HD picture comes through and looks better than regular channels....Excellent quality with the s-video.
Now I did query tech support, didn't expect to get much help, they were nice and responsive, but there answer to the component not working on high def channels was that the cable wasn't able to transfer the signal.
Overall I'm pretty happy so far...it does what i need it to for now, probably upgrade to Tivo series 3 when it comes out.
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