Windows Vista: Why are people even running Vista yet?!
Beta's are pointless
by bwsewell - 8/12/06 12:14 PM In reply to: Why are people even running Vista yet?! by FMCookI download and sometimes use the betas provided by microsoft. I understand the point of a beta is to allow users to conduct tests and provide feedback to microsoft about their upcoming (sometime not-so-upcoming... aka vista) products. The Office 2007 Beta 2 is ok, however like all other betas provided by microsoft and any company for that matter, it screws up, it has problems, and requires multiple repair installs at sometimes.
With regards to vista. I upgraded my system to Vista beta 2 about 2 months ago when it was released to the public and was impressed with the sleek new interface, however, the software has many many problems as bockgk1 stated. I also found that over time, vista seemed to eat away at my harddrive alongside my external harddrive as well. Something running in the background on vista obviously didn't like my computer very much. It ate away almost a gig of free space on my computer and external drive combined which I have been unable to get back since my reinstall of XP Pro. The vista betas have done nothing more than probably make people not want to buy vista when people actually do have to pay for it. They should have kept vista to themselves and not announce anything until they get the whole thing right.
needed for third party vendors
by jconner - 8/15/06 4:51 PM In reply to: Beta's are pointless by bwsewellYou need to have Beta versions to allow Third Party developers to develop and test their software on next generation O/S's like Vista. You can't wait for the system to fully operational or your competition will beat you to the market.
It also gives companies the chance to see how smooth a transistion it will be when they have to switch over hundreds if not thousands of workstations.
I put it on several laptops with software that was running under W2K and XP just to test functionality, performance and usability. We also have certain legacy hardware issues that may require porting.
There are lots of reasons to try something early so you can avoid pain later. Letting them know what the problems are with your applications makes for a better product and less grief later on.
If you run it you will be amazed at what it supports already. Besides for the cost of the media, its a nice O/S.
running vista and loving it
by cdaniels75 - 8/12/06 8:37 PM In reply to: Why are people even running Vista yet?! by FMCookThose of us who are running Vista realize it is not perfect... HENCE, the whole BETA thing. i must say though, apart from some driver issues with peripherals i can live without, i have had few problems. My McAfee works fine with Vista...
Cool Interface
by david5noel - 8/19/06 2:46 PM In reply to: Why are people even running Vista yet?! by FMCookI personally just like the glass feature so I just have a theme to make it look like Windows Vista. I love the black toolbar and the start button.
vista -orientation wrong
by goegoe - 9/9/06 8:09 AM In reply to: Why are people even running Vista yet?! by FMCookvista is fully wrong in orientation , the windows should devolop for small , simple and high security , rather than more big , more complex and ,more holes . for example , now the windows are very complex, ordinary people have to take at least one year to take control of it , why to install so many functions ? ---so many accounts, so many shares and so many distant access?why to develop such a complex thing ?I think MicroSoft should develope small ,medium and complex versions ----respectively aobut 500mb,1000mb and 2Gb , rather than the sole version for all consumers , if the version is small , about 500mb, I think that the security is improved greatly , because the virus and hackers are nowhere to hide , but microsoft would make out the more complex vista , why ? money , want more money , just more complex, I want to ask which functions are your real demands in the vista? it can let you see the more streamed shows or let you have more security and more fast speed ? no , nothing , just money .so, not running it .
Well...
by John.Wilkinson
- 9/9/06 8:28 AM
In reply to: vista -orientation wrong by goegoe
1.) Windows XP Professional SP2 is just 579MB, right around your desired 500MB range.
2.) Windows Vista has multiple versions, each one a different size based on what additional features you want. Thus, the 'small' version is Windows Vista Starter, 'medium' version is Vista Home Premium, and 'complex' version is Vista Ultimate.
3.) Remember, size doesn't necessarily relate to the complexity of a program. I can write a program using very basic code and drag out the length of the code or I can 'simplify it' by using more complex coding, drastically shortening it. The 'complex' (shortened) code will produce a much smaller program than the long, drawn-out, but easy to understand code.
4.) Remember, the length and complexity of the code leaves room for more mistakes, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is any more unstable or insecure.
5.) People want increased security, but they also want a lot of functionality. Consider how many millions chose Windows XP Media Center over Windows XP Home when buying a computer where they had the choice or built their own. Simplicity just doesn't cut it anymore.
John
I can't see the 500mb xp sp2,mine 2GB,remember those patches
by goegoe - 9/10/06 5:03 AM In reply to: Well... by John.Wilkinson
perhaps I am mistaken , but mine is over 2GB ,if you are careless for the huge microsoft patches? without those patches , how your PC can work well?
second, maybe you are a expert , but I would say firmly that the present windows is very complex for the ordinary people, usually the experts are careless for the ordinary feelings, they feel that the stuff is very easy to control , but as a ordinary user, I feel extremely upset for the stuff, there are a word in my place : unless your family has a expert , or you would like not to use it , because of not knowing that you play it or it play you , we here people usually take at least one year to use it a little well,taking so much time in the stuff , almost no people feel much pleasant ,the time you handl it is much more than the time you enjoy, in the situation , how to say the present windows is not complex?
third, depending on individual nations , the USA is very rich, you may use the PC for a year , you throw it , then , you can buy a new one, so , all you own is usually is the best , in the situation, you feel the present windows is good for you, but for me or the similar , the stuff is not good absolutely , just one reason ----extremely complex,not to mention those who don't understand English , they usually only see the problems, each day there are a number of problems , you just don't understand , why to make out such complex stuff for all consumers,?why?
finally , in the USA, I often hear that now the growing American users feel upset for the stuff , just because of its complex, why do you just think that the present stuff is just good , especially in the orientation ? not persuing simple, small, easy to use thing is the point ？
please remeber that the present is extemely complex ;no 500mb xp sp2, that patches just are over that number .
thanks.
Sizes...
by John.Wilkinson - 9/10/06 9:21 AM
In reply to: I can't see the 500mb xp sp2,mine 2GB,remember those patches by goegoe
Sorry about the confusion...When referring to the size of the OS I was going by the amount of data on the CD/DVD (579MB), which in my case is Windows XP Professional SP2. After a clean installation the C:\Windows directory is 1.91GB and grows to just over 2GB with all updates. This is because files from the CD are expanded and some are duplicated for backup/restoration purposes, thus taking up more space.
In regards to usage, it can be a little daunting, especially for those that don't have much experience with computers. At the same time, though, most of the advanced tools/functionality is 'hidden,' giving the user just what Microsoft thinks they need. Vista is designed to make it even easier for the inexperienced, but there's always going to be a learning curve with any operating system because it is, well, an operating system.
When it comes to speed of technology, it does move quite fast. If you buy a computer now it may be considered obsolete in 2 years. Still, the average length of ownership is a little over 3 years with some buying new every 6 months and yet others hanging on to their old Windows 95 systems and looking to squeeze every last cycle out of it.
I'm not sure where you live or what your first language is (I take it it's not English), but Windows is available in dozens of languages, so you can get it in Spanish, Italian, German, French, Hindi, etc. That should make it easier on those trying to decipher error messages and help articles when they're not native speakers.
I think the problem is that there are basically four types of users:
* Those who are older or simply haven't been around computers much and are inexperienced.
* Those who work on computers for their profession and know the system inside out.
* The average home user, who can use the computer but doesn't have experience with advanced features or troubleshooting.
* The kids that are growing up today using computers from the time they're old enough to hold a mouse.
With Windows 98/98 everyone used the same OS. In 2000 ME was designed for the home user while 2000 Professional was for the business user. That was basically the first step in customizing the OS for the intended user. Windows XP continued along the same lines (Home and Professional), but added Media Center edition, Tablet PC edition, etc. Vista should make even more of a differentiation:
* Home Basic is for the inexperienced who just want to check their e-mail.
* Home Premium is for the average user, giving you standard functionality and multimedia options.
* Business is for the more experienced user who's concern is advanced productivity, not multimedia.
* Ultimate is for the advanced user/gamer who not only works on computers but also wants to have some fun with them too.
In short, we are gradually going more towards versions of Windows designed for individually-targeted audiences. While the experience can only be tailored so much and there will always be a learning curve, it should help make Windows users more comfortable and therefore more productive.
John
Thanks:
by In-Correct - 9/9/06 4:08 PM In reply to: Why are people even running Vista yet?! by FMCookI didn't even know that it was out yet!! I was going to want to switch to it as soon as it came out, but I guess I will wait until later...
(NT) It's still in beta testing...it's out in January.
by John.Wilkinson - 9/9/06 4:38 PM
In reply to: Thanks: by In-Correct
Why Vista....
by gc_robb - 9/10/06 10:59 AM In reply to: Why are people even running Vista yet?! by FMCookMost of the people that are running Vista right now are doing so in an effort to make sure that when it is released to the general public it will be ready.
You are right that there are a LOT of flaws yet... this software is beta! That's why it's being tested in as many situations and scenarios as possible. If anyone is running this software expecting it to be perfect they need to look up the definition of beta :o)
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