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Windows Vista: Should you go for Windows Vista
I will "upgrade" to Vista after a full year
by gumbawakka - 7/28/06 9:34 AM In reply to: What happened to 98 & ME Could happen to XP by islandporgyBecause I've been a Microsoft Victim (aka, unacknowledged beta tester) and purchased previous Windows iterations before they were 'ready for prime time', I've learned. I admit I'm a slow learner, but I finally got it.
I will wait a full year, until the various patches, upgrades, fixes, etc etc etc come out and are workable. When the stream of invective on websites calms down; when the other software mfrs have released their fixed versions and their patches and work arounds, then I'll CONSIDER getting Vista, but only if I don't have to spend a fortune on hardware upgrades.
To Hell straightaway with Microsoft and their policies.
Question: How many Microsoft engineers does it take to change a lightbulb?
Answer: None, it's a hardware issue!
I fully agree: M$ is not worth their software
by doctorcrack - 7/28/06 9:38 AM In reply to: I will "upgrade" to Vista after a full year by gumbawakka"Question: How many Microsoft engineers does it take to change a lightbulb?
Answer: None, it's a hardware issue!"
I couldn't agree more!
not could but will
by bubbathecat - 7/28/06 1:36 PM In reply to: What happened to 98 & ME Could happen to XP by islandporgyhow do you think gates will make MONEY if not forceing the world to buy the next big wigget
MS money
by djujecmaoseoionnn - 7/28/06 2:58 PM In reply to: not could but will by bubbathecatWhat do you think made Microsoft worth 80 billion. It was not from making bad decisions. It was from being innovative and supplying products the world was requesting. I admit they had a lot of bugs but what other company has even begun to compare with the software features MS offers. Linux is good but MS got embedded and it was because they thought of it first. Open architecture from the beginning. If apple had done this at first there would be some real competition going on now. More than is at this time.
That how Companys make money
by islandporgy - 7/28/06 6:31 PM In reply to: not could but will by bubbathecatI still did not see any chang in the web page, I did not see any change yet that they will be supporting 98.
Wendell H
support
by djujecmaoseoionnn - 7/28/06 2:36 PM In reply to: What happened to 98 & ME Could happen to XP by islandporgySupposedly extended support for XP goes until 2014. This is a pretty good while to get used to the idea of vista.
Anything Is Better than XP, Surely?
by Carazara - 8/4/06 2:20 PM In reply to: What happened to 98 & ME Could happen to XP by islandporgyDoes anyone else feel as I do about Windows XP? (I'm running Professional.) I've never had so many problems as I have with this OS. Drives disappearing at will, never have been able to have all 3 parts of my 3-in-1 PSC working - why can I only copy and print? I've even bought another PSC by another make but it makes absolutely no difference. XP is so slow to open and close. Grrrr!! I was a fool to part with Windows 2000 for XP! Anyone else agree?
Reasons for moving to Vista
by rodolfoop - 7/24/06 12:49 PM In reply to: Should you go for Windows Vista by sumukhYou should go if
- you want to test the new features in the next standard operating system.
- your PC has at least 512 MB of memory. I recommend 1 GB.
- you have a fast processor (pentium 4, Athlon 64).
- you have a supported graphics card with 128 MB of memory, more is better.
- you don't mind having minor software incompatibilities.
- you have at least 6GB of hard disk drive ONLY for the installation of Vista.
Partitions or hard drives
by marcusvra - 7/24/06 6:26 PM In reply to: Reasons for moving to Vista by rodolfoopWhen I loaded Vista on a new formated SATA drive and went immediately to the drive. Had 10.9 GB on the hard drive.A dual core Pen 4 and 1.5 GB memory.After using Vista for a short time it looks like 30-40GB hard drive (partition) is good.
reasons to move to vista
by djujecmaoseoionnn - 7/24/06 8:26 PM In reply to: Reasons for moving to Vista by rodolfoopthose sound more like a hardware list needed to move to vista and on the lighter side more than reasons to move. The only reason to move is if your current situation requires it for you to continue doing what you want to do ie. work, compatibility with networks, I cant really think of any reason to change unless you just want the new experience. Thats me. If I may say so. I work alot with computers of all kinds, mine is a HOT Rod only lacking SLI video and I feel I need the SLI for vista. We put the best hardware we can find together to run things like Autodesk Inventor 3d modeler requested by design engineers and nothing that is available now for less that 3000 bucks can handle it when useing the 3d tools and realtime zoom and rotate features. Throw in a Quadro card thats another 900 bucks. Power cost big.Vista poves to be even more hungry just for the full transparent desktop. I am serious. But I love the way it works and looks. I cant wait. Ill sell my car if I have to. I have to be on the edge due to the fact that my customers come to me for info on what to buy and why. they pay me to put together machines geared mostly toward what they spec. So I know hardware. Vista has to be less power hungry after the beta or people are going to have to spend big money to see it on their desktop in full bloom. Thats for sure.Look at the recommended system for Vista at some of the computer seller sites. Itanium DUo, SLI video w/512 mb mem, 300 GB Sata Raid0 with 2 GB DDR2. Thats alot just for the OS. Why do you think Intel is jumping out and launching the new duo chips now. Even when their customers have warehouses full of computers to sell already with P4 hot rods in them. Vista Beckons. Everyone is getting ready. Ill say that when Vista is launched, Half of the people in the United States will immeadiatly start upgrading or buying new machines. Heavy upgrades. I am the only one in my family that is capable even running Vista beta. And I have a big family. They are not into power user status as I am. But if they want to use vista get out the wallet and call me. I love it !!!!!!!!!!!
A SLUG on basic home user hardware
by rstinnett - 7/28/06 3:07 AM In reply to: reasons to move to vista by djujecmaoseoionnnBeta Testing this on a new MB with Jo average home user processor..2.66 Celeron D, started out with minimum 512 MB (even adding a Gig, it's still slow), new hard drive. Boot up/shut down time is unusually slow. I have an old 166 Pentium that boots up quicker.. Once up; these annoying pop ups for security crap, and antivirus appear. ( Jo average home user just wants to get on the web and do whatever) You even need to select the wireless connection you want to use everytime, I have yet to get it to reconnect automatically. Tightened Security on this New OS is nice to know Microsoft is trying to make their new OS more protective for their users.
It is a beautiful looking OS, has the look of a mish-mash of Linux, OS X and a little Windows flavor. Vista gives a hardware rating and also lets you know what it likes and dislikes... neat feature for troubleshooting why your new system is slow. Vista hated just about everything in my system, cept the little Celeron D.. it gave it an almost 4. I changed the onboard video to a nice new 128MB Video AGP. still gave it a 2 rating..
I am just testing what the Average home user (These are my Customers) would purchase for their $ and find out what the bare minimum would be to run this new version of a Microsoft Product. I have read that Vista will have several versions released in 07.. home, pro, etc.. Hopefully the home user version of this OS will run better on this little Celeron, vs the full beta I am running.. Vista is a nice system, I hope Microsoft does more work to it and not do one of their typical, release it before it is ready and fix it later.
This same system runs really fast on XP and faster with Suse Linux 10.1 (Beta also). I really have no OS preference myself. If I need SQL at work, or NAV in the Car I use XP, if I need to work on a Movie, Photo or Recording Studio, I use a Mac. For Server at home I run Linux.
Conclusion: Start saving now for your next PC. As with any Progress you will always pay more for the newer, bigger, badder, faster, toys..
Definatly SLOW
by That Blur - 7/28/06 3:47 AM In reply to: A SLUG on basic home user hardware by rstinnettI tried the beta on my pc, expecting its reasonable specs (although a little weak in the graphics) of an amd 4400, nvidia 7300GS, 1GB RAM, etc. to run vista like a dream.
This could not have been far enough from the truth. I was met with unstability and continued crashing, and the originally reasonable boot time slowed down to a hault after just a few basic drivers and applications had been installed.
Nothing from games to dvds to even simple internet connection goes as smoothly as you might hope, and most drivers require alot of searching and research to get to work! My verdict: looks good, but much of the funtionality upgrades just add a pretty screen to give the impression of having more options, when in fact it really just slows you down when all you want is to change a simple setting!
Vista takes away choice
by Emeraldfireerick - 7/28/06 4:53 AM In reply to: Definatly SLOW by That BlurI installed and ran Vista Beta for a few weeks. I would compare the operating system to a point and shoot camera, as opposed to XP which is like a camera that allows you to change the settings for artistic effect. The reason I went back to XP was because Vista locked me out of my music, pictures and video files saying I did not have permission to access them. I was running as administrator and tried for hours to troubleshoot the problem but was caught in a Vista created catch 22. I do not recommend using an operating system that can and will take away your access to your own files even if it is for security reasons.
Sure Vista closes some doors but opens new ones
by jschneids - 7/28/06 2:04 PM In reply to: Vista takes away choice by EmeraldfireerickWhen I got the e-mail from Microsoft that Vista Beta was released for testing, I rushed to d/l it asap. I have been working on computers since high school back in 1971. My first home computer was an 8088 from Radio Shack with (2) 5-1/4 floppy drives and a whopping 15 meg hard drive with DOS 1.0 that I thought I'd never fill up and 128K of RAM, 256K CGA monitor, wow. (grin)
I have tried so many programs that everybody throws at me since all my friends and family know I am that hard core nerdy PC brain type. Since the release of this Vista, the e-mails, phone calls and mail have been pouring in, ''Is it any good?'' My answer is, ''Yes, Absolutely!'' But be prepared to buy a new expensive computer if you want to run it correctly and for certain programs such as, McAfee Virus & Firewall protection, Nero Burning ROM (any version),
Power DVD, Adobe Audition 1.5 or 2.0, to name a few will not work with Vista, yet. Perhaps, they will work when Vista is released for sale. Majority of my progran software and games work fine. Occassionaly, I have had a few bugs which I sent the automatic notification to Microsoft and got responses back from them in a timely manner on every situation with either, ''a fix will be created soon'' or ''what you can do to correct this error...''
Vista has tight and well needed security and I love it, but my first few days when I thought I could just jump in there with my Administrative rights and rule it, it stopped me cold from accessing folders that had important data such as pictures and audio files. Vista was just protecting and honoring the access rights of the XP Pro and that is why I could not get into those folders. It is a darn good thing that I made a back-up of my hard drive before I installed it (like everyone should do). Yes, there are ways to access those folders, you just have to read the instructions, something I have learned to do only as a last resort.
My current system that I have thrown together, Intel D915GAV motherboard with 2 GB mem, onboard audio & video, Intel 3.2 Ghz HT CPU, (4) 250 GB SATA HD's, Pioneer & BENQ DVD-RW drives and a Ultra SLI 600 Watt Power supply just makes Vista happy enough to play some features. I will add a nVidia 512 meg PCIe card soon to get the other features to work.
Vista has noticeably increaded the speed of my boot-up, programs, networking (file transfers)and with better built in security which is more important to me than all the new tricks, fancy look and layout of the new desktop.
With new system software upgrades you need to expect to give up some of those old programs that lack security and install new ones that can do the same job and more than likely be even better than before. Be prepared to learn new tricks or stay in a system that is going to be left behind. Vista is causing me to learn and at age 51 the challenges feels good. Microsoft also released appropriately their Office 2007 Suite for Beta testing that works great with so many new fantastic features (Go get it now it works with XP also).
For those of you who know how, I recommend installing Vista as a second boot-up (Multi-Boot-up)(Installed on another bootable drive), that way you can go into your XP or Vista without giving anything up. It works great for me, since I still haven't learned all the ins and outs of Vista yet and this gives me a cheating chance to go back into XP to move files into a shared folder that I can pickup in Vista and move it to a folder that is much more safe.
Vista takes away some choices, but give you so many new ones, that I recommend it for those of you who have a system that can pass the Vista compatibility test, try it. For those whose system can not, Wait and buy a new PC next year after Vista is released. No use in patching a system together that is never going to be good enough in the long run. Save your gard earned money now! It will cost a lot to buy that Mercedes (Vista) system next year.
Vista
by ciggieoxo - 7/28/06 4:38 AM In reply to: Should you go for Windows Vista by sumukhSeems few people have any compelling reasons for using Vista. The group here mostly writes about the speed or lack of it without much mention about what applications they want not already handled by XP.
I'm not going to go through the riggors of setting up a new OS on my PC until it has serious advantages that compel me to change. Is a pretty pictures machine with advanced searching worth shelling out the money for and upgrade; not to me.
I know I will not be an "early adopter" of Vista. If I get it at all, it would be after it gets a third service pack. Happy Computing~!
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