Spyware, viruses, & security : stop sign free scan dangerous
Hysteria?
by NWRCS - 4/28/06 4:17 PM In reply to: Customer for several years.... by Laine CThere is another word, just on the tip of my tongue, that describes someone who signs up on this (or any)forum and digs an older post up to give a "rah! rah!" review......
No other posts, ever, just the one, and they signed up today to do so.
I'll remember that word shortly.
I have a question
by metmichallica - 4/21/06 9:43 PM In reply to: stop sign free scan dangerous by sgrofgo to this website as you can see http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled7ph.jpg site advisor says it says it's safe to browse why would it say something like that when it isn't?
Site Advisor
by chipps125 - 12/24/08 12:21 PM In reply to: I have a question by metmichallicaHave you ever considered the fact that it states the SITE is safe, not the content that can be downloaded from the site. Bottom line, Don't install StopSign.
Stop! It took about 7 anti-pest scanners to fix the damage.
by brink51 - 4/28/06 6:34 PM In reply to: stop sign free scan dangerous by sgrofIf this program is safe why did all my anti-pest scanners find something. I tryed it about 6 months ago and 7 anti-pest scanners cant all have false positives.
I just downloaded it to find more **** about it.
This program is compressed with "NeoLite 2.0" which makes it almost impossible to scann for pest before installing.
Why didnt they zip it instead.
Oh what is this. "ASProtect"
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/pest/pest.aspx?id=59717
A code writer wants to hide a trojan on your system can use--- Oh look hipp crypters in this stop program. "obsidium vx".
Whats this. "PEPack 1.0"
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/pest/pest.aspx?id=50742
No Im not going to install it to find out what unpacked.
I dont want to post how I analyzed this.
Its shreaded now. Gone..
Stop and think before ya sign the Sign.
Not Spyware - reply
by David Nason - 5/4/06 9:33 AM In reply to: Stop! It took about 7 anti-pest scanners to fix the damage. by brink51Techguns,
eAcceleration's installers, do *not* use Neolite 2.0 or any other version of Neolite. BTW - you probably weren't aware that it seems Neolite is now owned by McAfee. Nor do our installers use the technologically similar UPX.
Your other links to various infection/tool writeups appear to be based on your mistaken belief that we are using NeoLite.
In another statement you seem to be trying to say that we are using "Obsidium vx" (an anti-cracking technology used by shareware authors). eAcceleration does not use this technology in any of our products.
eAcceleration's installers, including the StopSign Installer are structured much more like a standard zip archive than they are like Neolite/UPX. As a techie, you're probably already familiar with the technical details of Neolite/UPX, but for the benefit of those who may not be:
- Neolite/UPX compress the sections in a standard EXE/DLL file and invoke an embedded uncompression routine when the file is executed. It uncompresses the original sections in memory and then execution is
transferred to the uncompressed code. Encryption
the code sections is also supported.
- eAcceleration's installers, on the other hand, combine individual files into a single archive along with the file information (name, original size, creation/modified times, etc.), which is then
compressed using the standard zlib compression library (no encryption involved). The compressed archive of files is then concatenated to the end of
a self extractor executable. The end result is similar to a standard self-extracting zip
archive.
The main difference is that since the file information is also compressed, eAcceleration archives can be 5+% smaller than a standard zip archive. Because of the archive format, eAcceleration installers cannot be extracted using a standard zip program, but that is not uncommon.
As a techie, you probably don't use zip for your own installers. For example, most installers that use InstallShield cannot be directly extracted using common zip programs. Likewise, most of the installers for Windows Security updates also cannot be extracted with a standard zip program. And, like most of the Windows Security update installers, eAcceleration installers also support a commandline option to extract the contents of their installers without actually installing anything.
David Nason
CTO
eAcceleration Corp
davidnason@eacceleration.com
Questions for David Nason
by systematics - 5/7/06 4:00 AM In reply to: Not Spyware - reply by David NasonI saw your company's infomercial, and decided to look up what others had to say. Unfortunately, it appears that some of the posts are just outright libel (although I am not a lawyer) while others pose reasonable questions and have reasonable comments.
There are two questions / comments that I don't feel have been adequately addressed to my satisfaction.
#1)
I noticed is that a poster called totallypauly stated on post 36:
"There is NO uninstall program for Stopsign.com."
You responded in post 43 with the following:
"Please feel free to contact our Technical Support department at 1-800-STOPSIGN to get a downloadable uninstaller. StopSign always includes an uninstaller
in the Control Panel Add/Remove Programs applet. But that's one of the components easily removed by SpyBot."
My question is where can I find this downloadable uninstaller on your company's web site. I looked but was unable to find it. If it is there, it should be easier for me to find. Since you mentioned that this uninstaller is easily removed, I figure it might be a good idea for your company's website to have a quick easy link to find that downloadable uninstaller without having to contact technical support.
#2)
It appears in post 47 that you acknowledged a false-positive (correct me if I am mistated this). I am very uneasy about using a virus program that delivers a false-positive. I don't recall getting these with my current anti-virus software. Even one false-positive can be upsetting to me if I am required to purchase the software to remove something that might not be an issue. Someone mentioned that your software might use to broad a method to find viruses using "OR" parameters and wanted to know what your comments are with respect to this.
Re: Good questions - my reply
by David Nason - 5/8/06 3:03 PM In reply to: Questions for David Nason by systematicsGood questions; I'll try to provide equally good answers:
#1- The uninstaller is available on our website. From any domain (e.g., stopsign.com), click on the HELP link - under HELP FILES is a link to Uninstall help, which contains info help to uninstall and the downloadable uninstaller. The new FAQ soon to be deployed will have a prominent link to it as well.
#2a Virtually every antivirus/antispyware product has periodic issues with false-positives (remember Microsoft AntiSpyware detecting Symantec products last Feb?). It is the constantly-changing spyware (and, hence, constantly changing spyware definitions) that requires incredible diligence to avoid false positives. We test every change to the products and the definitions against a huge suite of real-world installations and configurations. When a false positive is identifed, the correction is usually distributed within hours. Regarding your concern about having something removed, most false positives would either prompt the user or, at worst, simply be quarantined automatically.
You might note in reading antispyware reviews that very few products catch/clean a significant percentage of what they're tested against. StopSign takes an aggressive approach to spyware and catches more than many others. StopSign Custom Cleaners deal completely with many of the most pernicious spyware infections.
#2b Our cleaner technology is particularly good at triggering on ''syndromes'', rather than ''symptoms''. I have heard the speculation that we used a broad method - ''OR'' parameters - which I believe to be a couple of years old. We did, in past versions of our scanners, have issues with our heuristics scans. We no longer use such a simplistic approach.
Thanks,
David Nason
CTO
eAcceleration Corp
davidnason@eacceleration.com
http://www.eacceleration.com
http://www.stopsign.com
Question For Mr. Nason
by jjwinc - 5/10/06 7:01 AM In reply to: Re: Good questions - my reply by David NasonI'm working on a friend's PC that was locking up and causing him headaches. Scans with virus scanners, AdAware, and eventually, SpyBot have lead me to this forum.
I understand you have turned the company around and all that hoopla, but I just don't understand this "grass roots" effort to clear your company's name. Wouldn't it have just been easier to totally wipe the slate clean and stop using the names eAccelleration and StopSign? New name, new life? Anything mired in this much controversy isn't worth the money, IMHO.
In the end, I've warned the owner and, if the problem persists, I have suggested removing StopSign in an attempt to stabelize this machine.
Correction
by jjwinc - 5/10/06 7:09 AM In reply to: Question For Mr. Nason by jjwincNo way to "edit" posts on C-Net (as far as I can see). The last paragraph should read "stabilize this machine".
Suggestion
by David Nason - 5/10/06 8:30 AM In reply to: Question For Mr. Nason by jjwincMy suggestion is to contact Tech Support (1-800-STOPSIGN). Your friend's subscription includes unlimited telephone/chat/email Tech Support. They will stay with the problem until it is resolved.
There are many problems that cannot adequately be handled by a completely hands-off, automated mechanism. The big players (e.g., Microsoft and Symantec) have recognized that fact, as evidenced in their recent efforts to provide complete solutions, including tech support packages.
eAcceleration has thrived in the past couple of years with a very efficient and scalable tech support system - realtime, with virtually no hold time, US-based, with expertise that can handle the most difficult situations.
Thanks,
David Nason
CTO
eAcceleration Corp.
davinason@eacceleration.com
http://www.eacceleration.com
http://www.stopsign.com
Stop Sign
by Tish1967 - 5/10/06 3:53 PM In reply to: Suggestion by David NasonI recently got 2 trojans with norton,2firewalls, & 2 SPYWARE SUFFERED FOR !* DAYS TRYING TO FIX MY COMPUTER! STOP SIGN IS THE ONLY PRODUCT THAT FOUND THE TROJANS AND REMOVED THEM! IWASN"T AWARE NORTON DIDN"T PROTECT YES SPYBOT SAID IT WAS A PROBLEM PROGRAM BUT I DID"T FREAK OUT AND TRY TO REMOVE IT AND CHANGE EVERYTHING! I FIGURED !* DAYS TRYING TO GET BACK ONLINE IWOULD JUST LET THE PROGRAM RUN A WHILE AND IGNORE SPY PROGRAM! WELL ITSTWO DAYS LATER AND MY SYSTEM HAS NOT CRASHED AND IT"S CLEAN > THANK YOU MR NASON!!! NOW IF SOMEONE CAN TELL ME HOW TO TURN OFF FILTER KEYS I"D BE SET!! NOT CAPS TO YELL<STUCK ON FILTER%)
re: Filter keys
by David Nason - 5/11/06 8:02 AM In reply to: Stop Sign by Tish1967To turn off Filter Keys, press your left Shift key quickly and repeatedly until the StickyKeys dialog pops up asking you if you want Stickey Keys turned on - click on Settings. This brings up the Accessibility Options dialog (also available through the Control Panel).
This dialog can be used to turn off Filter Keys (and the Shortcut that turned it on in the first place - holding down the right-Shift for several seconds).
Thanks for the comments,
David Nason
CTO
eAcceleration Corp.
davidnason@eacceleration.com
http://www.eacceleration.com
http://www.stopsign.com
filter keys
by Tish1967 - 5/11/06 11:24 AM In reply to: re: Filter keys by David NasonThank you and you're welcome! My computer is still working great thanks to stop sign!
I still saying.... so If I want to delete stop fraud from me
by spamjustsucks - 4/3/08 12:51 AM In reply to: Re: Good questions - my reply by David Nason??? it`s that correct, stop talking like a senior anti-spam developer!
what`s the drama ? the purpose of this forum it`s to discuss in a way to uninstall that crap called stop sign, or e acceleration ********.
WOULD YOU TELL US HOW TO UNINSTALL IT??
StopSign duped my computer-naive friend
by boltcc - 7/4/06 8:44 PM In reply to: stop sign free scan dangerous by sgrofMy friend recently got a computer. I asked her if she had installed an anti-virus. She said she had gotten a message teling her to run a scan, and she did. Windows Security Center said she had Stopsign. I tried to uninstall it. However it was not listed in Programs or Add/Remove Programs. I found some files with ''Search'' but knew better than to uninstall by deleting files. Therefore I left it as is and went on to install and run Spybot. I got 56 entries for eAccelerator. At that time I didn't connect eAccelerator with Stopsign,so I fixed all problems, at which point Windows Security Center said the anti-virus was turned off. I did install AVG for her. I came to CNET to see how stopsign was rated, and it was not rated. However I did find this forum. I would never install a program that did not include a readily accessible uninstaller. Also I don't buy that Spybot is just picking on eAccelerator. I'll have to go back and try to finish uninstalling Stopsign. This is aggressive marketing at it's worst. Instead of defending the product Mr. Nason should be fixing it. I doesn't matter how good a product is, if it has to be sold by deception.
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