Computer help: do i really need firewall?
fire wall's clog up
by jamesreedbenjamin - 6/30/06 3:19 AM In reply to: Need, no... Should have, yes by jnbhowardi allways find fire walls from
zone alarms or norton or some others
iv tryed really slow things down ,
its probally the filtering/checking
there doing.
so i don't have one any more and don't find any problems happening to my system! so far anyway............
It runs well and its been years
now since i had a problem with virus etc
i do check very often for spy ware (skybot and spyware blaster and Ad-aware )and i have Grisoft AVG virus protection .
so id recon giving it a try to see how much stuff we do without that slow down our machines.
So find another
by jnbhoward - 6/30/06 7:53 AM In reply to: fire wall's clog up by jamesreedbenjaminIt's a simple matter to just use XP's firewall if you're using XP, which is sufficient for the majority of people, or to get a router that has a firewall built into the firmware.
And in the end, a little performance loss is the price you pay to avoid being an unwitting accomplice to organized crime and other equally distasteful things. Like I said, maybe one day we'll all wake up and the world has turned into a giant Disney movie where nothing bad ever happens. Until that day arrives, a firewall is a useful tool for helping keep some of the undesirables at bay.
thanks, but
by sectornine - 6/28/06 12:51 AM In reply to: do i really need firewall? by sectorninethanks for the help, indeed ZA firewall is a good one, but after what happened yesterday was too much for me, and i've decided not to use another firewall, for now, perhaps in the future i might, this is basically what happened to me yesterday, which cause me to abandonded firewall for good.
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this morning when i turn on my pc, i noticed the desktop isn't showing up, i was stuck on the welcome screen for 5 mins before the desktop decides to show up.
i did not know what was going on, it was chaos, a message pops up repeatedly saying:
"NORTON live update has terminated your VOIP modem driver in an unusual way, please contact blah blah blah"
then another message pops up:
"unable to ultized socket" or something
i immediatly knew what as happening, norton has sieze control of my network, apparently it has shut down my internet connection, and has block my voip modem's attempt to access the inernet, i am unable to go online.
what's worst norton internet security is unable to report it's status, and gives me a message that saids:
"norton system unidentified blah blah norton antivirus unable to determinate status, file damage or corroupt or something"
i checked the main norton internet secrity screen, it gives me an error status on every criteria, the antivirus isn't functioning, the firewall icon did not appeared besides the clock, the firewall itself doesn't even launch, i knew then norton has been destoryed and are unable to protect me.
the desktop takes 10 mins to boot, i see my wallpaper, but there's nothing on the screen, then out of the blue my desktop pops up, then my hardrive makes a loud noise, but sometimes everything freezes up, and sometimes nothing boots up at all, and then i thought the world is ending.
i proceed to restart over 8 times, trying my best and everything i can to fix the problem, but in the end i was left with no choice but to wipe my hardrive and reinstall windows, losing everything including my percious pictures in the process.
i did tried to uninstall the whole norton internet security 2005, but it refuses to uninstall, gives me a message saying: "live update is running blah you have to close it before running uninstall"
of course there's no way for me to close it, i also tried uninstalling the live update, but insted the pc freezes, i can't delete liveupdate or norton or anything, i am helpless.
it took another 7 restarts for me to format my hardrive, install windows and get everything running again.
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that's why i don't want to use a firewall.
If You Don't Want To Use One, Then Don't...but...
by Grif Thomas
- 6/28/06 8:24 AM
In reply to: thanks, but by sectornine
..I'm curious, why ask our opinions then? It appears like you've already got your mind made up about firewall usage and regardless of what points are made here, that's what you're going to do.
Good luck in your endeavor.
Grif
Norton
by Mark69 - 6/30/06 7:49 AM In reply to: thanks, but by sectornineHi Kin, If you dont want norton , there is a file on the net to erase norton completley off your hard drive, do a search on google or other search engine, i have one it cleaned mine, Any problems m8 let me know ok ,
ZONE ALARM JUST RUIN EVERYTHING!!! DAMMMNNNN ITTTT!!!!!!
by sectornine - 6/29/06 12:54 AM In reply to: do i really need firewall? by sectorninefinally decided to use a firewall on windows xp sp2, i picked zonealarm, install it, and guess what?
it won't run, why? that's becasue it gives me an error saying i don't have enough rights to launch it.
intresting indeed, i am the only user of my own computer, i am the admin and i have access to all the features in windows xp, so why oh why won't zone alarm run?
i'm very very disappointed with firewalls, very.
just when i muster up all the courage i have and install this product dispite the pervious saddening experience, and BOOMM!!!!! ZA blows up right in my face and tells me that I DON"T HAVE ENOUGH RIGHTS to install this crap, you know what? forget about firewalls, i'm through, this is the last straw!!!
it's not that i don't gave firewalls a chance, but the fact that i give them TOO MUCH chances, even ended up losing EVERYTHING becasue of it, even so , i continue to give my trust to it, and all i get it's deception, frustration and anger.
i hope you now all understand why i have to struggle for what appears to be a simple decision for so long, it is becasue i have been decived, and enough is enough, i'll take my chances without a firewall, thank you.
i hate firewall
Sounds like you
by comicfan - 6/29/06 11:32 AM In reply to: ZONE ALARM JUST RUIN EVERYTHING!!! DAMMMNNNN ITTTT!!!!!! by sectornineNeed to do these things first...
1. Get some anger management, sounds like that's in order.
2. A lot depends on what you are doing to your own OS, how does anyone know what you may be downloading, etc...
3.Did you do something obvious?? UNINSTALL IT!
4. Did you DISABLE windows firewall while running others?
5. Did you even mention what kind of junk may be on your pc causing this stuff?
6. Did you give specs on your OS?
7. Could be many other issues, hard to tell when someone simply spouts off exclamations because they are mad and won't give decent info.
8. Many of us have used firewalls for years and never had them <ruin everything.>
9. Perhaps if you calm down and go over your pc, you may get some help instead of thinking everything is ruined and learn somthing in the process, so if a problem arises again, you may be able to fix it.
Paul
Kin, System Restore Should Allow You to Recover Easily
by Grif Thomas - 6/29/06 11:41 AM
In reply to: ZONE ALARM JUST RUIN EVERYTHING!!! DAMMMNNNN ITTTT!!!!!! by sectornine
Do it this way...(You'll want to print this out for reference.)
First, restart the computer into Safe Mode using the instructions in the link below:
How To Start In 'Safe Mode'
Once in Safe Mode, click on Start-All Programs-Accessories-System Tools-System Restore. When the SR window loads, click on "Restore my computer to an earlier time". When the next "Calendar" window loads, click on one of the "bold" dates which is just previous to your problem, possibly yesterday, then click on "Next" and follow the prompts to restore the compute back to an earlier time.. It will require a reboot. The process is fairly easy and should work fine in your situation.
Once the computer is restored back, because the "admin" error is a common issue, then revisit Donna's link in Virus & Security Alerts to the fix for your problem.
Here is the link to Donna's post in the Virus & Security Alert's forum:
It seems a known issue with ZoneAlarm
Hope this helps.
Grif
ThankYou Grif,
by PMTRAIN - 6/30/06 2:44 AM In reply to: Kin, System Restore Should Allow You to Recover Easily by Grif Thomas
For your timely comment ref Zone Alarm (new) 6.5. in your response to Kim.
I'v been dealing with this for a week now and it really felt familiar until I finally realized we had all gone through this before on another ZA update. I remember your counsel then,and intend to follow it. Just use what I have now until they fix it. The ZA Forum offers alot of tech type suggestions, but I'm not that good at all this and tend to leave wide trails of destruction in my wake. Reading THIS forum and seeing the same names periodically really is a comfort.Kinda like seeing old friends. And your all so patient. Thanks to all of you.
R.K.
ZONE ALARM JUST RUIN EVERYTHING!!! DAMMMNNNN ITTTT!!!!!!
by agm4 - 6/30/06 10:26 AM In reply to: ZONE ALARM JUST RUIN EVERYTHING!!! DAMMMNNNN ITTTT!!!!!! by sectornineSir, I am positive that your problems do not stem from firewalls. Firewalls are an absolute necessity in today's Internet. Anyone NOT running one is putting his computer and all his personal data up for grabs by anyone who has the knowledge necessary to access it.
If you are using your computer to:
1) Access Game Networks
2) Access Porno sites
3) Access "warez" sites (all illegal)
3) Access sites in the former Eastern Block countries
4) Download so-called "free" music or other "free" downloads (neither of which are ever free, since
a) SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE spent his OWN resources to create the music or software in the first place, so he should be compensated for it.
b) It is almost always illegal to download it without the author's permission
c) There are ALWAYS consequenses for our actions, either in this life, or the next, so we ALWAYS pay in some way, either with our money, or with our time, freedom, or life.
They instead stem from a total lack of knowledge about:
1) The English language and its grammar.
2) Computers in general
3) Firewalls specifically
4) PROPER Operating System installation and configuration (for example, an improperly-acting piece of software SELDOM blows up your entire system, as you claim both Symantec (which you call "Norton") and ZoneAlarm did.
5) Operating System and software maintenance
7) The absolute NEED to keep your Operating System and software properly maintained on a DAILY basis.
8) The presence of bad people on the Internet (many more than one might expect).
9) A lack of respect for the people who CREATED "your" computer and software.
10) A lack of respect for your machine itself.
11) A lack of respect for the Constitution of the United States, which gives you the FREEDOM to use your computer with little government interference.
They also stem from
1) A lack of self-respect and respect for others
2) A lack of self-control
3) A lack of understanding of just what you are doing at any one time
4) Possibly, drug and alcohol abuse.
5) Having an abusive character
6) An inability to listen to the advice others give you, or an inablity to apply it correctly.
7) Quite possibly, a need to get laid by a lady
Tell us sir, do you also hate antivirus products? Do you hate to PAY for decent products? Have you even investigated which are the best antivirus packages?
If your answer is "no" to ANY of the three questions about antivirus packages, then you NEED to spend a few dollars (probably about $39US), and purchase a product like NOD32 ( from http://www.nod32.com ), which is widely respected by security personal everywhere as the best Antivirus product in circulation for the general public, and seek advice on how to properly configure it for your surfing habits and machine.
NOTE, sir: I have NOT "accused" you of anything. I have given you my opinion, after having read several of your responses in this particular discussion thread. Only you, sir, can decide for yourself if my words are cogent (that is, they apply to you). In other words, if the shoe fits, wear it. If it doesn't, then just simply ignore it.
I assure you, I am not trying in any way to be accusatory, or hurtful. But sometimes, the truth stings, especially when it finds its mark in a man. Sometimes, the truth will set you free, as a great Man once said. And sometimes, one must endure the pain of the truth before it will set one free.
Donald L McDaniel
outstanding reply!!
by UKARURLMXCU - 6/30/06 5:57 PM In reply to: ZONE ALARM JUST RUIN EVERYTHING!!! DAMMMNNNN ITTTT!!!!!! by agm4Based on your outstanding answer, I am sure you have been at this game as long as I have (21 years +) and have probably forgotten more than most know about the lovable infuriating contraption known as a computer. We have learned through long experience and many times, trial and error, that almost all computer problems can be traced to something WE DID TO IT! The person you replied to is probably a perfect example of this.
Your firewall
by WAArnold - 7/1/06 9:03 PM In reply to: ZONE ALARM JUST RUIN EVERYTHING!!! DAMMMNNNN ITTTT!!!!!! by sectornineYou have made up your mind, but, I am wandering about your expertise. I suspect you have something going on other than firewall problems. Thousands of users have zonealarm and other firewalls installed without trouble. With that said, why don't you leave the firewall installed and running except for the time that you MUST run the games, at which time you can disable it and after the game restart the firewall.
Re: do i really need firewall?
by readingsteve - 6/30/06 3:23 AM In reply to: do i really need firewall? by sectornineA firewall is a good idea, but I've had bad experiences with a number of the software solutions. For the past two years I've been using a hardware firewall which is built into my Linksys wireless router and that has been absolutely great. It allows you to open up specific ports for applications, while giving a real solid wall of security to hide behind. Best part is that it was essentially free, since it was already a part of the router hardware.
In the same boat
by Oracle_360 - 6/30/06 3:43 AM In reply to: do i really need firewall? by sectornineI had a similar chain of events happen to me (thought luckily without Norton involved), and decided it was better to get rid of Zone Alarm. Even with this program, which is lauded as one of the better firewalls out theer, I found my patience wearing thin as numerous games were frozen because of a Zone Alarm warning. I'm now hiding behind my router firewall, and scanning frequently with anti-virus and spyware programs to make up for it.
> Comicfan, please don't make comments based on your assumptions or interpretations. This forum is for computer help and not pyschological examinations.
Oracle
by comicfan - 7/2/06 1:52 AM In reply to: In the same boat by Oracle_360It's spelled: psychological examinations
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