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Samsung hl-s5687w vs. Panasonic TH-50PX60U
by xlifex - 6/6/06 11:50 AMI have been researching these two tv's thoroughly and I am still undecided. I went to numerous stores and the samsung looked better than all the other projection tv's including the new sony sxrd's. I especially like that it is 1080p and that it can actually accept 1080p signals.
But the picture on the Panny TH-50PX60U is also beautiful and looked better than all the other plasmas. The only thing i didn't like is that I could see the pixels up close while i could stand very close to the samsung i could barely make out the out pixels. I also heard that regular tv doesn't look so good on the panasonic, while the Samsung upconverts. One of the guys at Circuit City told me that the Samsung could display more colors but the Panasonic was brighter. While the guys at Best Buys told me that plasmas display richer colors.
I plan on making a purchase very, very soon and was just wondering which one would be a better & smarter buy since I could get them at very similar prices.
Kinda apples and oranges,,,,
by jcrobso - 6/6/06 2:00 PM In reply to: Samsung hl-s5687w vs. Panasonic TH-50PX60U by xlifexRP Vrs direct view plasma. Yes there is a difference, the Samy is projected on a screen, the plasma creats the light. It is realy YOUR choice as to which YOU like better.
Ask to see the Panny on SD material, they can do this but you usualy have to force them to do so.
Ignore the 1080p hype,,, it's not a big deal. the Panny is a 720p set vrs Samy 1080.
What is your viewing distance at home??? 6', 8', 10',etc.
If you get close to any CRT, plasma, LCD you can see the dots.
Dose you viewing room have a lot of ambinant light, windows with out shades??? If it dose then the plasma would be the better choice.
The samy will have to have the lamp replaced every few years at about $200~300 and the color wheel($250 or so) sometime also. The Plasma should work for about 20 years or so. john
not really...
by scoobyd00 - 6/8/06 1:28 PM In reply to: Kinda apples and oranges,,,, by jcrobsoIt's not really apples to oranges a better analogy would be green apples and red apples. They are all after all Televisions and when you are spending in the thousands of dollars on home theatre it's best to do as much research as possible.
That said, this is what I have found, while both the Panasonic and Samsung have a 10,000:1 contrast ratio, the truth is the panasonic is not a hi-def TV, it's an enhanced definition TV and this is true for all plasma televisions. They are closer to 1280x768 or 1365x768, so they are not native 720p TV's. It's not a bad thing, it will scale and most people won't notice the difference however depending on your viewing distance you will. If you are sitting within about 7-8 feet or closer of a plasma the picture will not be as sharp or detailed.
So right off the bat when they advertise plasmas as Hi-def ready you are pretty much getting lied to. Yes it can scale the HD signal to fit your TV but why pay for something you're not getting?
The other problem with plasmas is picture degredation and burn in. After certain number of months you will notice your colors fade and no matter how high you set the brightness and other settings it won't look as good as new. LCDs don't have this problem but LCDs are known not to get shades of black as deep as plasmas. LCD's also suffer from something called screen door effect where again if your viewing distance is in that 7-8 feet or closer range it will look like there is a screen door in front of your TV.
The only problem with DLPs in the past was something called a rainbow effect, where in abot 5% of the population would see a rainbow streak across the screen when they look from one part of the screen to another part too quickly. However, the new color wheels spin about twice as fast and are 2 phase where 2 parts of the wheel display red, 2 parts diplay blue and 2 parts display green. this gets rid of the rainbow effect. Otherwise the blacks are just as deep as plasma and there is no danger of burn in and the color doesn't degrade over time.
Yes there is a lamp to replace but these new samsung DLPs use an LED lamp which is rated for 20,000+ hours while the old ones were 3,000-6,000+ hours, so the bulbs are much better and you may not have to replace them.
There's 52 weeks in a year, if you watch 5 hours of TV a night after work during the week and 8 hours on saturday that's 38 hours a week. There's 52 weeks in a year, 52 multiplied by 38 equals 1,976 hours of TV viewing. 20,000 hours of lamp life divided by 1,976 hours of viewing is about 10 years and one one month of viewing time. To summarize: it's worth it. You'll likely only have to pay to replace a color wheel one time possibly, maybe even 2 during the life of that lamp but $500 for 10 years of television viewing pleasure is worth it 
As for 1080p being ''hype'' that may be but why not have something that's a little future proof just in case. The PS3 is coming out and blu-ray movies will support 1080p. Now if you really don't care about this I would suggest going with the the 50 inch samsung with the 1280x720 naitive 720p set which would be perfect for playing PS3 and Xbox 360 games and HD-DVDs.
Oh that's the last thing I wanted to discuss, Hi-def satellite TV and digital cable is only broadcasted in 720p, so on the 56'' 1080p the signal will be upconverted to 1080p and you may lose some detail, so you may thoroughly consider the 50 inch 720p HDTV set.
In the end all I can say is the 2006 samsung DLPs offer the highest quality picture with the least to worry about when compared to LCD and plasma flat panel TV's. My only problem right now is deciding between a 56in 1080p and a 50in 720p lol.
Re: Not Really
by Dan Filice - 6/8/06 2:38 PM In reply to: not really... by scoobyd00To quote: "Hi-def satellite TV and digital cable is only broadcasted in 720p. Ummm, FOX and a few others broadcast in 720p, while CBS and a few others broadcast in 1080i. I'm not sure where you are getting your facts.
Also, "it's an enhanced definition TV and this is true for all plasma televisions." So, what you are saying is that NO plasma is HD? Panasonic and Pioneer make some of the best HD plasmas in the world. They don't sell $50,000 extended definition TVs.
Take a peek at this link for a description of EDTV. The difference between EDTV and HDTV are the lines of displayed resolution. EDTV is limited to 852X480, whereas HDTV is 1368X768 (native 720p) or 1920X1080 (either native 1080i or 1080p).
ok, wha?
by scoobyd00 - 6/9/06 2:45 AM In reply to: Re: Not Really by Dan FiliceHDTV as defined by ATSC standards is either 1920x1080i or 1280x720p. Therefore anything that is not one of those resolutions is considered to not be a standard of HDTV. On a 1024x768 or 1366x768 plasma which would encompass the displayed resolution of 720p the image will be scaled and stretched, when that occurs the image blurs and detail is lost, and all theough those TV's are ''HD-compatible'' they are not displaying a native resolution that is consider HD. It's far superior to SDTV though, and that's why it falls under EDTV.
I'm not going to continue arguing this point, the fact of the matter is you don't need to worry about this if you sit at a viewing distance of approximately 8 feet or more away from the screen, any closer than that and you will notice a drop in quality and for anyone who's in the market that's really the key, because if they sit further away then that then they don't need to pay attention to the res as long as the TV says its HD-compatible. If they aren't sure of the res of the TV the basic rule of thumb is to sit atleast 8 feet away from their HDTV. That's simply the easiest way to say it so they don't need to pay attention to a number they may not understand. And just to be clear I was reffering to enhanced definition not ''extended'' definition.
O K, but a couple of things,,,
by jcrobso - 6/8/06 3:00 PM In reply to: not really... by scoobyd00"They are closer to 1280x768 or 1365x768, so they are not native 720p TV's."
They ARE considered to be 720p even if they are just slightly higher,,720p is HDTV, NOT EDTV which is 720x480 or 480p. In acutal viewing is is not easy to tell the difference between 720p and the 1080/i,p images, But you can fairly easly tell the difference between a ED(720x480) and a 720p image. There are some new 60"+ plasma sets that are 1080, but the are BIG $$$$.
The current spec for the half brigthness of plamas is around 50,000 hours if you use your math is comes out to 20+ years for plasma sets. Yes the LEDs are VERY big improvment!!!
Getting rid of the color wheel and lamp is a very good thing. The color wheel was DLPs biggest problem!!!
One of the reasons that the LCoS sets (JVC & Sony) had great pictures is that they didn't have a color wheel and they have 3 chips instead of one as in DLP sets.
One thing to keep in mind is that 702p/30 and 1080i/60 take up about the same bandwidth, which is why eather one can be broadcast OTA in a digital channel or asatellite channel, both are MP2 compression, but satillete is changing over to MP4 comprssion.
It's your money, so take your time spend an hour or two just watch the sets, over time you will pick the one you like best, I spent about 6 months shopping and comparing before buying. Have fun. john
wat?
by abedoy - 6/12/06 6:20 PM In reply to: Kinda apples and oranges,,,, by jcrobsowhere did u get this information? plasmas hav a glass/plastic screen which reflects light. dlps do not reflect light, so why would u want to use the plasma in a room w/ alot of light? also, dont believe the 1080p hype? WAT?! thats the dumbest thing i have ever heard! its 2 million pixels compared to 700,000 on the plamsa! digital and hd look better on a 1080p bc there are so many more pixels and it is so much sharper! and, ever hear of blu ray? thats 1080p my friend! u could watch all of your movies in 1080p, how is that just hype?! 1080p is the thing of the future and they look better on every type of signal especially blu ray!
PERSONALLY, I'M NOT WAITING FOR THE APOCALYPSE ,
by Riverledge - 6/12/06 6:48 PM In reply to: wat? by abedoyTRUE 1080P HDTV, OR 2012, which ever comes first. I'm more than satisfied with 1080i.
Seems like no one is grateful for what we all ready have.
river.
again, WAT?
by abedoy - 6/12/06 7:58 PM In reply to: PERSONALLY, I'M NOT WAITING FOR THE APOCALYPSE , by Riverledgesamsungs bdp 1000 comes into circuit city in 12 days and thats gonna b a 1080p blu ray player.
SAY WHAT!!!!!
by Riverledge - 6/12/06 8:09 PM In reply to: again, WAT? by abedoyriver.
that just didnt work
by abedoy - 6/13/06 8:32 AM In reply to: SAY WHAT!!!!! by Riverledgeu need to tell me wat u contest before i can prove u wrong
WAT
by luvcocobear - 8/10/06 12:13 PM In reply to: again, WAT? by abedoyonce there's sufficient content in 1080P, I'll pick up a set (they'll be better and cheaper than todays options)
For today, I'll take my Panny plasma, and wall mount it (don't want to give up the space for a projection, even with them getting thinner). With my 50" set, the price I got, and the quality, I'm very happy compared to the alternatives.
Lets keep it simple
by gabereyes - 6/8/06 8:45 PM In reply to: Samsung hl-s5687w vs. Panasonic TH-50PX60U by xlifexPanasonic is one of the top Plasmas and Samsung is one of the top Rp TV's.
So its Plasma vs DLP it really doesnt matter who has more Res and contrast ratio none of these stats are true, So lets look at what is true.
Plasma has better Colors, Black levels, viewing angles, no bulbs, and do better in bright and dark rooms, and also looks better on standard TV and DVD sources.
while everyone is talking about all the stats, just go buy the Panasonic, by the time you get back they will be way off the subject anyways.
Good Luck.
I just installed the hl-s5687w
by vampress - 6/9/06 2:45 PM In reply to: Samsung hl-s5687w vs. Panasonic TH-50PX60U by xlifexLove my Samsung. In my mind the higher resolution for the future and teh size difference was the final factor. I wasn;t planning on hanging anything on a wall, so that wasn't a factor.
The size difference was also a facor since much of what you get today is still 4:3, so unless you want to stretch the image out, you lose some image space
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