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by cyde01 - 6/7/06 6:10 PM
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DSL and Telephone Service

by cyde01 - 6/7/06 6:10 PM

I just moved to a city in Southern California called Cerritos. I didn't know this until I moved there, but Cerritos is apparently notorious for having few broadband options due to service providers' reluctance to move into the area (I have no idea why).

Some non-DSL broadband options available in the city include:

Comcast cable. Now, I don't need a connection faster than DSL and Comcast is expensive in Cerritos, $60 a month after the first 6 months.

Aiirmesh wifi. After city residents got fed up with the lack of broadband, the city decided to get a private contractor to set up a city-wide wifi network. Sound like a good idea? Not if installation fee is $200 and service is $50 a month.

I wanted to research what DSL options were available to me so I started calling a bunch of ISPs. Now, I just moved so I don't even have a landline going to my condo yet.

The guy from Earthlink tells me what DSL service is available to me all depends on what phone company I get for the landline. He tells me that both Verizon and SBC are in the area, and I can probably get Earthlink DSL as well as many other DSL services in Cerritos if I get a Verizon phone line. But, nothing is for sure unless I get a phone number he can look up first.

This leads me to believe that if I get an SBC phone line, I will be able to get SBC Yahoo DSL. I call SBC to confirm, but they aren't able to tell me ANYTHING definitively. While they DO KNOW that SBC Yahoo DSL is available in surrounding cities, they CANNOT confirm its availability in Cerritos UNTIL I have a phone number they can look up. Great, thanks for nothing.

So I decide to call Verizon to find out what 3rd parties they work with to find out what DSL service I can get if I get a Verizon landline in Cerritos. My answer? They DON'T WORK WITH 3RD PARTIES, if I get a Verizon land line Verizon DSL is THE ONLY DSL available to me. So naturally, I ask if Verizon DSL is available in Cerritos. My answer: No it is not available. However, Verizon is currently creating a headquarters in the area and it should be available by the end of the month. But, there are no guarantees as to when it will actually be available.

Great, so now I have two people telling me different things, and no one seems to be willing to guarantee anything. Confused? Yeah, I'm confused too.

My question to you guys is this: As a consumer, shouldn't I have the right to know what DSL providers are available through each phone company, so I can choose the right phone company and know that the DSL service I want will be available through that company?

I mean, it sounds like depending on what phone company I get, I could get stuck with only one DSL option, or no DSL option at all. That would mean having to get the Comcast cable deal, which seems really pricey. The WiFi deal doesn't sound like much of a deal either.

What do you think? Anyone here ever have a similar experience?

Post 2 of 13

A few facts. . .

by Coryphaeus - 6/8/06 4:33 AM In reply to: DSL and Telephone Service by cyde01

DSL is distance limited to less than 18,000 feet from your local telephone Central Office.

DSL is not available in all areas because of this.

Example: I live in the heart of the Dallas/Ft. Worth metroplex. For communications here, if we don't have it you don't need it. But I live 25,400 feet from my CO. No DSL.

It sounds like Verizon is your local phone provider. If they say DSL is not available, it's not available. From them or anyone because of cable length and they own the cable, it's just simple physics. If they are building a new central office in the area then DSL will be available, but you may still be out of range.

Wayne

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Aside from what Wayne said,

by chuckieu - 6/8/06 1:41 PM In reply to: A few facts. . . by Coryphaeus

I come up with this on 1 Google search. Searching with the zip code you live in will be more helpful. Then you can contact providers and ask better questions. Much better than cold calling. chuck
http://www.google.com/maps?num=20&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=broadband&

Post 4 of 13

I tried searching via zip code already and didn't help much

by cyde01 - 6/8/06 1:54 PM In reply to: Aside from what Wayne said, by chuckieu

n/m

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Let me clarify

by cyde01 - 6/8/06 1:52 PM In reply to: A few facts. . . by Coryphaeus

Verizon and SBC offer phone service in my area.

When I talked to the Verizon rep, they said they had just built a Central Office right next to where I live. However, they were not sure when Verizon DSL would be available through that Central Office (anywhere from a month to 1 year).

So I do live close enough to the Verizon Central Office, but does that truly mean DSL is only available from Verizon and not any other provider? If the Central Office is completed, but Verizon doesn't offer DSL yet, can I get Verizon local phone service and DSL from a different company?

Or should I get phone service from a different company, like SBC?

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Who provides dial tone?

by Coryphaeus - 6/9/06 4:35 AM In reply to: Let me clarify by cyde01

If it's Verizon, they are the one who will provide the ''hardware'' for DSL. They own the cables, central office equipment and the DSLAM (the device that provides DSL, you can Google it for more information).

Almost any ISP provider can give you DSL, but they will still use the Verizon equipment. The same goes for dial tone. When this happens they become a reseller. They lease the equipment from Verizon and sell the service to you. It's up to you to decide who will provide your service.

I'd suggest using Verizon for one very good reason. If something breaks, they are responsible for end to end service. One phone call. If you use another provider and you have a problem, you report it to them. They will then refer the problem to Verizon, and it could be bounced back and forth for testing, analysis, and finally repair. I have seen this happen and it just puts the customer, you, in the middle while they hash out the problem and who is responsible for fixing it.

I live in a Verizon area but I'm retired from SBC/SWBell now AT&T. Because I get my service for free (part of my retirement package) I have SBC dial tone. But I still cannot get DSL because of the distance. So I have Comcast cable for internet. The speed kicks DSL's butt. Cable might be an option for you.

Wayne

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I've had experience with

by chuckieu - 6/9/06 10:28 AM In reply to: Who provides dial tone? by Coryphaeus

the scenario Wayne mentioned. Using a 3rd party for DSL.
Always an extended blame game. The main reason I switched to SBC, it was their hardware. Had my DSL in a week, few problems since. As suggested, find out who owns the hardware. A package deal will save a lot of money. As to
the suggestion of cable, the speed versus cost still doesn't compute for me. When (depending on where you live) you can get 6MB of DSL for $27.99 in a package-I'm in Dallas-I wouldn't get cable unless I HAD to have the speed. My suggestion of using your zip code was meant to
give you better info when talking to the individual phone companies. These operators only know a limited amount.
Since you didn't supply zip, best we can do. My search is getting a lot different result than you are supplying. chuck

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thank you all for your help

by cyde01 - 6/9/06 1:15 PM In reply to: Who provides dial tone? by Coryphaeus

I think I'm gonna go with the Verizon phone service. I just hope that Central Office that's supposed to be near my place is up and running soon, because I still don't wanna pay the extra dough for cable.

Post 9 of 13

dsl

by hsky1948 - 6/10/06 5:03 PM In reply to: DSL and Telephone Service by cyde01

i had a problem like that once when i MOVED JUST 3MILES, i went from dsl to not availableso i moved maybe you can do that too,good luck with your small nightmare

Post 10 of 13

I know what you are going through

by robertandrewsmith - 6/17/06 1:56 AM In reply to: DSL and Telephone Service by cyde01

I totally understand your frustration.
I have had charter as my cable company for a long time. When I switched from dial up I went ahead and got broadband through charter. Last month I decided to get vonage, a voip service which requires dsl or broadband to work. This reduced my phone bills dramatically. The only thing is that now I have no landline as I had to shut off my verizon local service and my sprint long distance service. All was well until one day I got fed up with my charter dvr. It only records and plays in one room. In addition, charter raised its rates again. Then I found out that dish network had a dvr which recorded and played in two different rooms. It also turned out to be significantly cheaper. So I thought I would just switch. Easy right? wrong! If I switch my television provider I lose my dsl connection. That also means that I lose my phone connection. So I tried calling around to get a new dsl service. After all, I have been seeing so many commercials about the great deals going on right now from numerous companies and it shouldn't be a problem to get service in my area since neighbors on both sides of me have dsl. Wrong again! Verizon says its not available in my area (my area is apparently only the size of my house since my next door neighbors are in their area). When will they be available? apparently only god knows because the phone reps had no idea but they were happy to take my name down so that when hell freezes over and they do have a line available they will be sure to possibly contact me. So I decided to press on. I called at&t which apparently is now SBC yahoo. They said that they don't service my area and that I should talk to verizon. haha. I tried sprint which is now sprint and nextel merged but as far as internet is concerned its a whole different company. After literally 30 minutes of waiting on hold I was told that "surprise" they don't cover my area either. Just in case you're wondering at this point, I live in Rancho Cucamonga...not Mars. So as my final attempt I tried Earthlink. They said that I need to get an official landline before they can check to see if I can get service. I would be willing to get a very basic landline but only if I was sure it would make a difference. I told them that verizon was unable to give me dsl so they told me that if I could find a provider who could give me dsl then they could give me dsl through that provider. My question was, if I could find a provider to give me dsl why would I even need earthlink. It's like saying they would give me milk but only if I had a cow. If I had a cow I wouldn't need milk. But I digress. In short I'm really screwed. so now I have conversations like this.
"why don't you get satellite tv?", my friends.
" because then I wouldn't be able to talk on the phone" Me.

I've heard many people talk about the threat of phone company monopolies with all the recent mergers going on. What they should really be concerned about is the cable monopoly and the lack of available dsl. I really just don't understand why the dsl companies spend so much money to advertise and lower the rates on a service they don't even provide.

If you have any more thoughts or possible solutions....please,please let me know.

Post 11 of 13

Same answer

by chuckieu - 6/18/06 9:59 AM In reply to: I know what you are going through by robertandrewsmith

as Clyde. Without a zip code (and no other info), we can
only give general info, which we have already done. Sorrry! chuck

Post 12 of 13

Keep Trying

by Adamant22 - 6/26/06 8:39 AM In reply to: I know what you are going through by robertandrewsmith

I went through the same thing.

ATT kept telling me that service wasn't available.
I knew that couldn't be right as I live in downtown San Diego!

The problem was that my phone line was provided through Cox Cable. So DSL isn't available on THAT phone line. I finally got through to a rep with a brain. He told me that, of course, DSL is available and that I had to get an ATT (SBC) phone line first.

I just put in my order for DSL!
DSL/Dish Network will save me ~$60/mo.

I hope you're in the same boat, but DSL might really not be available for you. Try telling them that you don't have a phone at all and see what they say.

Good Luck!

Post 13 of 13

Cheaper DSL with referral code

by thomas Carter - 6/19/06 6:47 PM In reply to: DSL and Telephone Service by cyde01

AT&T is charging 12.99 per month for 1 year contracts on DSL to new customers.
I used this referral code durring the signup process and saved close to 10.00 per month. Just a tip...
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