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50-56 inch tvs: DLP vs. LCD for very bright room
by kenjamd - 4/30/06 6:00 AMHey folks,
I'm looking for a 50-56 inch HDTV for a very bright room. During the daylight hours (9AM to 6PM in the summer) the sun shines in behind the TV quite brightly.
At 50-56 inches, I think that rear projection DLP or LCD have the best prices (plasmas that big just get too pricey). Something around the $2000 price range would be nice, give or take a few hundred
Any suggestions as to which technology to choose? I was leaning towards DLP, but heard that they performed poorly in high-light situations.
On the DLP front, I was thinking of the Samsung HL-5667W
http://reviews.cnet.com/Samsung_HL_R5667W/4505-6484_7-31335749.html
On the LCD front, I haven't done much research, but the Sony KDF-E50A10 looks nice.
BTW I'm not looking for 1080p. 720p native is a must, though.
I was planning on buying in a few weeks so that I could have my TV by the end of May. However, I know that manufacturers release new TVs during the summer, so something that's not going to be outdated so soon would be nice.
Anyway, this is a lot of info. Thanks for the help!
Mostly a matter of opinion
by carlrez70 - 4/30/06 7:42 AM In reply to: 50-56 inch tvs: DLP vs. LCD for very bright room by kenjamdapplky,
I am also looking at a TV in 42-50" range and will probably buy around the end of the summer. I like the Sony LCD projection sets a little bit more than the similarly priced DLP sets. The DLP sets have truer black levels but the LCD projection sets seems to have a brighter picture. Since you are putting the TV in a bright room this will be a major consideration for you. Also, I know that Sony is releasing a new line of LCD projection sets in June or July. The changes for the new line are unclear, but I do know an additional HDMI port will be included. I would probably wait until the summer to make the purchase because the release date for the 2006 line is already so close.
NO T.V. WILL LOOK GOOD IN DIRECT LITE
by stewart norrie - 4/30/06 9:52 AM In reply to: Mostly a matter of opinion by carlrez70My advice would be to install blinds or curtins, over the windows, As long as you dont have direct lighting on your screen it should look just fine good luck stewart
But when will the products be available?
by kenjamd - 4/30/06 4:33 PM In reply to: Mostly a matter of opinion by carlrez70I mean, it's great and all that the 2006 line will be "released" in June or July, but when will they actually be available for purchase? A lot of the products probably won't be available for purchase until August or September. Am I right?
I'm also thinking that the new TVs will up the amount of inputs and be 1080p. That's about it. Obviously there will be upgrades so that HDMI can handle 1080p inputs, but there are no devices I will be buying in the next 4 years that will even be able to produce a 1080p signal, and I only need one HDMI input and one component input for the devices I'm using.
I mean, I basically am convincing myself to buy the TV now.
The only compelling reasons I can think of for waiting are:
(1) Bigger TVs becoming cheaper
(2) Better "technology," i.e. a new generation of DLP chips that turn on faster and don't produce any rainbow effect, a new generation of plasma technology with no burn-in, etc...
But neither one strike me as especially compelling, since bargains can be had easily...
Anyway, if there's a truly compelling reason that I don't know about or if there's another good website with a more active HDTV forum, please let me know!
Thanks
SAVE SOME MONEY AND LOOK AT................
by Riverledge - 5/1/06 5:30 PM In reply to: But when will the products be available? by kenjamdTHE SONY KDS-R50XBR1; LCoS model. Replacement is due by fall '06.
river.
XBR1 is great but expensive
by carlrez70 - 5/1/06 6:55 PM In reply to: SAVE SOME MONEY AND LOOK AT................ by RiverledgeI'm assuming he was referring to the normal Sony LCD projection models. The XBR is approximately $1500 more than the LCD projection models.
THE SONY 50" XBR ISN'T AN LCD.............
by Riverledge - 5/2/06 4:15 PM In reply to: XBR1 is great but expensive by carlrez70BUT rather a LCos type set.
You know what they say....
by kena10 - 5/2/06 9:34 PM In reply to: XBR1 is great but expensive by carlrez70Pimpin' Ain't Easy!
New Sony 50-inch entry level LCD looks great
by kenjamd - 5/1/06 10:14 PM In reply to: SAVE SOME MONEY AND LOOK AT................ by RiverledgeHmm... It seems like all LCoS TVs are really really expensive.
There's a new Sony LCD rear-proj TV that was just "released" this past March (i.e. it's shipping in a month) that's a replacement for the old entry level TVs. There's not much difference between the old ones and the new ones, except for some upgraded display technology (the blacks are supposed to be better) and an enormously upgraded jack pack (3 component video inputs and 2 HDMI inputs, with plenty of others). It's 720p native (1080i capable, but not 1080p since it's entry level).
It's about $2300 for the 50-incher, which seems very reasonable to me. Unfortunately, no tests have been run on its image quality since it was released so recently. Still, the previous generation got decent reviews and there don't seem to have been earth shattering changes to this new line. Anyway, here's what I'm talking about:
http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?CategoryName=tv_ProjectionTVs_RearProjection_42to51TVs&ProductSKU=KDF50E2000&TabName=specs&var2=
Where did you see a release date for this TV?
by carlrez70 - 5/2/06 7:53 PM In reply to: New Sony 50-inch entry level LCD looks great by kenjamdI am actually considering buying the new Sony LCD projection at the end of the summer. I tried the link to the Sony site and received an error. Where did you see a release date for this set?
ACK!
by kenjamd - 5/2/06 8:12 PM In reply to: Where did you see a release date for this TV? by carlrez70They literally JUST took the website for that TV down. If you go to the press release section of their website, the press release announcing that line of TVs is still there, but they took down the product page for these new TVs and dropped the price on the comparable TVs from last year's lineup. My guess is that they'll put the product pages back up soon (at least by the end of May).
CNET's pages are still up. Search this: Sony KDF-50E2000. I mean, it basically looks identical to the current batch of entry-level Sony rear-projection LCDs, except with 2 HDMI inputs and 3 component video inputs (instead of 1 and 2 respectively) and the promise of deeper blacks. Same price, pretty much.
To answer your question about the release date: The press release said that the 45 and 50 inchers will ship in "early summer" and the 55 incher will ship in "midsummer." I came up with "on or around June 7" by adding the KDF-50E2000 to my shopping cart and checking out. Under shipping info, it said that it wasn't available now but would ship on or around June 7, 2006.
Maybe they removed the product page to push back the release date. Who knows? Panasonic just released some new plasmas of comparable size that are supposed to be AMAZING, but they're about $1000 more expensive, so I want to hold out for this Sony...
We should all contact the guy listed by the press release on Sony's website and ask why they took the product page down. Here's his e-mail: <greg.belloni@am.sony.com> (His name is Greg Belloni, obviously.)
Disappearing Act
by gandalfthewizard2 - 5/9/06 5:42 PM In reply to: New Sony 50-inch entry level LCD looks great by kenjamdWe've got the Australian equivalent of the second generation Sony KDF-E50A10 with the one HDMI input. It's good but has typical RP LCD artifacts with poor quality input.
Tried your link to the 'new release' but up comes a page from Sony Style with:
"The requested product is no longer available."
Any idea what's going on?
Hmm.
Regards
ACK 2
by gandalfthewizard2 - 5/9/06 6:02 PM In reply to: Disappearing Act by gandalfthewizard2Soo sorry - I didn't check earlier replies.
Hope it is released soon - and here in Australia.
We've had our KF- E50A10 only a couple of weeks and are waiting on a replacement due to a noisy cooling fan.
As I said before, its PQ is indifferent on poor quality input - with a few typical RP LCD artfacts (SSE and SDE) but PQ is superb with good stuff. I couldn't find out its refresh rate but was told (by a Sony techie) it is close to 8ms; but not quite, due to the RP technology.
If the KDF-50E2000 is better, we'll wait for one.
Cheerss
I personally would go LCD
by rkarra - 5/2/06 8:56 PM In reply to: 50-56 inch tvs: DLP vs. LCD for very bright room by kenjamdIt has been my experience that they are a little bit better in a high light situation.
As the previous post said, nothing is good in direct light, but you said it was from behind. LCD should still look clear.
My vote goes to...
by kena10 - 5/2/06 9:43 PM In reply to: I personally would go LCD by rkarraStewart's TV.
NOT!
Get the Sony XBR1 LCoS set. Agreeing with one of Stewart's suggestions is kinda weird but I do happen to agree with it. Curtains can diminish the amount of light in the room. I hae my KDSr60XBR1 in my basement and next to a couple of windows that get too much sun and after putting the curtains and buing a special curtain rod from crate and barrel, the curtains block all the sun coming into those 2 windows.
Here's the link for the curtain rods if you're interested...
http://www.crateandbarrel.com/family.aspx?c=1285&f=9534
The way these are bent enable the curtains to completely cover any window even from the edges.
I wish they would allow to post pictures here so I could post some.
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