Buzz Out Loud Lounge: Do sites like Monster ACTUALLY work?
Good points...
by pkscout - 4/4/06 3:40 PM In reply to: The Job Seeker Perspective 2 by AndyInTNYes, when I call an applicant I tell them who I am, where I'm from, and why I'm calling (including the exact job title used in the ad. Admittedly sometimes someone has applied for lots of jobs, but I do expect them to be able to recall fairly quickly or they obviously weren't very interested in the job. It's really annoying when the show up at the interview and still have no idea what the job is or what the company (or in my case University) is about.
And the thing I *REALLY* hate about Monster (and HotJobs and all the others). I now get a call monthly from the sales rep asking if I have any openings. Even after telling them repeatedly that I'm a small department in a large University and don't have many openings it doesn't help. I've even told them outright "don't call me, I'll call you." Nada. And since I have a pre-existing relationship" now I can't even get them to stop calling. Arg.
Ok.
by AndyInTN - 4/4/06 4:37 PM In reply to: Good points... by pkscoutOk, if they still didn't know after you told them all of that then more than likely it WAS just someone who saw the ad and just hit the "send this canned response button".
Here's what has worked for me...
by ajurina - 4/4/06 12:52 PM In reply to: Do sites like Monster ACTUALLY work? by AndyInTNMy first job interview came because I found a website and e-mailed the HR person directly asking for any information on available positions. I got a response and a continual dialog with them, which resulted in an interview AND a job offer that I turned down.
I got another job interview by submitting my resume to a company via their website. This is the job that I am currently working for and loving it. Don't count Monster out, just consider them one of many stones you have to turn over until you find something.
In a word. No.
by raingray2000 - 4/4/06 2:09 PM In reply to: Do sites like Monster ACTUALLY work? by AndyInTNI recently began looking to change jobs and I gave Monster a shot. What a waste. The only people that contact me were recruiters who wanted me to pay money. Never, never, never, NEVER pay a recruiter.
Not a single job came to me via Monster. But I had a lot of success submitting my resume directly to corporate web sites. I think if you're looking for a job with a big company that's the best way to go.
Overall I wouldn't use Monster again and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
I forgot about recruiters.
by AndyInTN - 4/4/06 2:15 PM In reply to: In a word. No. by raingray2000But I get those a LOT too. REALLY TRULY frustrating when you think its an ACTUAL person then you realize its a recruiter as you start reading more into it.
Don't agree with the agent theory
by scottduge - 4/5/06 10:11 AM In reply to: In a word. No. by raingray2000I don't exactly agree with the agent theory.
IF done properly an agent is THE best way to go. Let them do all the leg work for you scouring the various sources for openings and setting appointments for you.
I have worked with agents in the past. I always write the contract to say "50% on hiring and 50% after 1 year TIS" I've never had a problem. The agent does the negotiating of pay and benefits for you and since they usually get paid a % of the base pay it is to their benefit to get you the best package.
Something to try
by MacHugger - 4/4/06 2:15 PM In reply to: Do sites like Monster ACTUALLY work? by AndyInTNI know it sometimes sounds like an awful way to go but maybe consider a temp agency, Andy. Especially if you have any technical skills, you can probably get placed rather easily. I have a few friends who ended up getting permanent jobs through the agency. Many people don't like them because they feel they could be earning that extra bit of money that the agency takes as a cut but hey, what sucks more - a little less money from an agency or no income whatsoever?
Also, they do much of the work for you in trying to find a position. Something to consider.
-Kevin S.
Thanks.
by AndyInTN - 4/4/06 2:17 PM In reply to: Something to try by MacHuggerI will look into that as well. A few of the people that I know have had bad experiences with them, just that they were rude. I will look into it though.
CareerBuilder.com worked for a friend of mine
by thatcherm
- 4/4/06 2:27 PM
In reply to: Do sites like Monster ACTUALLY work? by AndyInTN
She put her resume up and got several calls out of the blue. Most were for jobs that weren't a good fit, but two were for jobs she considered and interviewed for. Got an offer on both, and is now happily working at her dream job.
That said, aside from one gig I found on Craigslist, the rest have been through personal referrals. I know networking has a bad rep, but if you approach it with a genuine goal of community-building, you can actually get much more out of it than just a job--like friends who work in the same industry as you.
Yay Michelle's in the house!
by acedtect - 4/4/06 4:20 PM
In reply to: CareerBuilder.com worked for a friend of mine by thatcherm
Good to see you post. I *knew* you were lurking out there.
You and Ima both point out that networking gets a bad rap. I think it's because it's a buzzword. It's not so myuch 'who you know' as who knows you or who can recommend you. I agree with the idea of getting out and making contacts. You don't have to be sleazy about it, just get to know people.
I do networking!
by AndyInTN - 4/4/06 4:42 PM In reply to: Yay Michelle's in the house! by acedtect
I think social networking is a great idea. For one, it allows you to get to know someone who potentially works for someone who just might have a job that is perfect for you.
However, when you're a nerd, the only social networking you do is online, lol. Especially when there aren't ANY other nerds in your community.
But yes, I do agree that networking is a great idea AND is recommended by all the employment counselors that I know.
Welcome Michelle
by AndyInTN - 4/4/06 4:46 PM In reply to: CareerBuilder.com worked for a friend of mine by thatcherm
I wonder who is lurking, *looks at YOU, the reader*. I agree that it is a great idea to network, especially to have friends who are in the same industry.
Yes... for the right person
by Shig2k1 - 4/5/06 4:59 AM In reply to: Do sites like Monster ACTUALLY work? by AndyInTNHaving worked briefly in recruitment I can tell you that a well-presented CV with clear and brief information will greatly increase your chances of a call back.
At the end of the day, these sites are merely a resource for the recruiter, if your CV is not indexed correctly they'll never call, regardless of how good it may be.
I posted my CV with jobserve, gojobsite, fish4jobs and monster... within 3 hours I had recieved 2 calls and a further 20 over the next few days.
Seperate the wheat from the chaff
by cardsbb9 - 4/5/06 9:00 AM In reply to: Do sites like Monster ACTUALLY work? by AndyInTNThey work, but not right away.
I lost my job about 5 yrs. ago and started posting myself on every job-hunt web site I could find.
Now, five years later, I am getting a call for a job about once a week.
However I now get tons of spam in my email.
For it to work you HAVE TO, HAVE TO be specialized and highly qualified. These web sites will not work for the newbie trying to break into the job market.
For you newbies out there... here is the harsh reality: no one is waiting, holding a job open, hoping you will come along and fill it. Hint: you may have been very, very special to your mother, but you are just another piece of paper in a stack of resumes.
Good tip about SEPARATE
by MacHugger - 4/5/06 10:14 AM In reply to: Seperate the wheat from the chaff by cardsbb9Ever since I was told this, I have never misspelled this word:
Always remember: There is A RAT in "SepARATe"
-Kevin S.
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