Electronics & Computers Deals here!
Community weekly poll: What brand of printer do you own, and are you happy with it?
- 4/4/06 12:17 PM
dye sub
by Dena Yuriga - 4/8/06 7:07 AM In reply to: Hi by KutusovI wish I could explain this fully to you. I know it is a thermal transfer system. Chemistry definiton of sublimation changing solid to liquid or visa versa. The printer is first heated, then the paper goes back and forth through the printer with each pass it goes through different processing. I think that it has some kind of wax coating. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable will explain it.
What is Dye Sublimation
by ranron - 4/8/06 9:37 AM In reply to: Hi by KutusovSorry Dena, but sublimation is the process in which solid is changed directly to gas. Deposition is the process that changes gas directly to solid. Melting is solid to liquid and freezing is liquid to solid.
Now back to the subject. Dye Sublimation is a process of instead of using liquid ink, the ink is solid on a piece of plastic film. When printing, the print head passes on top of the corresponding color and vaporizes the ink. Then the gaseous ink passes onto the glossy paper before it soldifies again. This process is repeated for each of the 4 colors, cyan, magenta, yellow, and black. The mixing of any two/three/four will create other colors. Because the printing is layering process (one color on top the other), you will actually be able to "feel" and see contours of the details of the photo on the paper after printing.
Now the reason the printing style is good is because there are no pixels. Its a continuous shade of color much like photos from regular film cameras. Also since there is not real dying process, the print-outs do not fade. The only drawback is that its terribly slow and its expensive to buy the consumables (The ink is packaged with the paper).
Dye Sublimation
by Kutusov - 4/8/06 10:52 AM In reply to: What is Dye Sublimation by ranronOk, I was having trouble finding the replacements for those printers to evaluate the price. That seams like a great process of printing photos but the cost…. I’m no pro photographer and rarely get a “masterpiece” photo worth printing… Also, there’s the size issue… I shoot photos at 8 MP with my Canon so I will not want an A4 photo print, I´ll want something bigger… What’s the biggest size of paper for those Canons? Oh, just one thing I didn’t fully understand… That works with regular photopaper, right? The ink comes with the paper so that’s why you have to by Canon paper, is that it? Thanks for the info and thanks again Dena for the tip on this printers… I hadn’t heard of them yet…Oh, sorry... another thing. Is canon the only brand using this technology?
dye sub
by Dena Yuriga - 4/8/06 12:45 PM In reply to: Dye Sublimation by KutusovI have found a dye sub printer that prints 8 1/2" X 11 photos, but it is quite costly. I rarely print large photos though, so for now the one I have is sufficient. I really don't think the paper and cartridge are that expensive. Canon says that the prints are only 28 cents each. I haven't found out for myself because the printer came with 108 post card size papers and a cartridge good for 108 photos. I am not sure that this is the same package that you get in the stores, but Canon USA shows all different kinds of supplys for the printer. Here is a link that I found the printer that prints 8 1/2 by 11.
http://www.bizrate.com/marketplace/product_info/overview/index__cat_id--420,keyword--dye%20sublimation%20printers,prod_id--335454269.html
Thanks!!
by Kutusov - 4/8/06 3:05 PM In reply to: dye sub by Dena Yuriga28 cents, uhm? Now I’m really starting to want one… I must check the prices here in Europe. Thanks for all Dena. Stay well!
cp400
by Dena Yuriga - 4/9/06 2:46 PM In reply to: Thanks!! by KutusovI bought my CP400 dye sub at a close out for 39.95. Unfortunately, they don't ship out of the US. I bought one for my son in Amsterdam and shipped it myself. Try Ebay. I have seen them advertized on there. You stay well too.
RE: Dye Sublimation
by ranron - 4/8/06 7:46 PM In reply to: Dye Sublimation by KutusovFirst off, you cannot buy the ink and paper separately, because the paper is made especially for dye sublimation. Second off, the largest size you can expect the printers to print is postcard size (4 x 6 inches) due to the process of the printing (and postcard printouts take approximately a minute and half to print, so imagine letter size or tabloid --> impractical).
Here are some direct answers:
Q: What’s the biggest size of paper for those Canons [or any dye sublimation]?
A: Postcard (4 x 6 inches).
Q: That works with regular photopaper, right?
A: No, you would have difficult time getting the paper to fit in the printer.
Q: The ink comes with the paper so that’s why you have to [buy] Canon paper, is that it?
A: You buy the bundle for your corresponding brand and model.
Q: Is [Canon] the only brand using this technology?
A: No, Sony also makes Dye Sublimation printers. In fact, I have a Sony Dye Sublimation (except I didn't know it was a dye sublimation printer when I bought it) printer myself from 5 years ago. Currently Sony makes the DPP-FP50 (Small, portable, no screen) and UP-CR10L (Big-24lbs, not-so-portable, 8-inch touch screen, faster-1 min for 4 x 6 inches).
So on final note, I would only recommend these printouts for the photos that you don't mind being small and want to last several generations. Instead of this, and since you have a 8-megapixel camera, you should seriously consider the Canon i9900 (if you don't have it already). I have a Canon EOS 20D and the printer prints up to 13 x 19 inches pages and the output is unbelievable. Plus if you do print postcard printout that you want charish for a lifetime, buy the best paper (Canon Photo Paper Plus Glossy). Also the ink is 8 individual colors (Red, Green, Yellow, Cyan, Magenta, Light/Photo Magenta, Light/Photo Cyan, Black), so replace colors that run out. Try not to buy the Dye Sublimation printers unless you want to trade slow print speed, expensive consumables, and small printouts for photos that last a long time, I would recommend an inkjet (i9900) that prints faster, cheaper, and still lasts very long.
Corrections
by ranron - 4/8/06 7:54 PM In reply to: RE: Dye Sublimation by ranronThere are printers that print bigger (letter).
Many manufacturer make the printers (Canon, Sony, Olympus, Kodak, Mitsubishi Electric, etc.).
They are faster than before.
The consumables are expensive relative to inkjets/lasers
Uhm....
by Kutusov - 4/8/06 9:43 PM In reply to: Corrections by ranronThanks a lot for the post, very complete information….
And after all that I’m back were I was… I prefer taking the memory card to a photo store and ask them to print the photos for me… Like I said, I seldom do so. Only if it’s something worth framing and hanging on the wall or to throw as a gift…
I’ve taken a quick look on the canon i9900 and it really seams an impressive machine. But it’s very expensive (about 650€ for the 9950, as I couldn’t find a store with the 9900 here in Portugal. That’s about US$ 786). I use an HP 5550 when I have to and usually that only happens when I really have to print a photo, say, to send with a resume to a job apply or something… So I’ll just wait for the thing to dye and start praying for a drop on the prices (catastrophic drop, that is…)
BTW, that’s a great camera you have! Thanks again and all the best to you
dye sub
by Dena Yuriga - 4/9/06 3:12 PM In reply to: Dye Sublimation by KutusovThe ink and paper are not that expensive. 108 postcard sheets and dye cartridges for 108 prints for 29.95 from the Canon USA site. I found the Canon CP 400 (the one that I have) at J & R Electronics on a closeout sale for 39.95 + shipping, including the paper and cartridges. Of course I don't have as good of a camera as you. Mine is only the G5 Powershot (5 mp), so the postcard size is good enough for me. I also like that I can take it with me and print photos immediately right from my camera. I found a kodak that prints on regular size prints on the Kodak site. They are between $400 & $500. I didn't check on the supplys.
Dye Sub
by Dena Yuriga - 4/8/06 12:13 PM In reply to: What is Dye Sublimation by ranronThank you for clearing that up for me. I looked on Canon's web site for a definition, but couldn't find one. I just relied on my dictionary. Thanks again. Now I know how to explain it to others.
Printers
by shoilee - 4/4/06 6:34 PM In reply to: What brand of printer do you own, and are you happy with it? by Marc Bennett
Actually, I have 3 printers I use, a Brother HL-5040 laser which I use for documents printed in black and white, an HP Office Jet D145 which I use to scan, and copy in black and white and color, as well as use as a fax, and an Oki C5200 I use for color cards and photos...it does a superb job. Actually all 3 printers are great, and do superbly with the jobs sent to them
HP All-In-One 6210
by NHWebGeek - 4/4/06 6:35 PM In reply to: What brand of printer do you own, and are you happy with it? by Marc Bennett
This is a great multifunction printer for small businesses or home offices. It's great having a color fax, copier, printer and scanner all in a reasonably small footprint. Great bang for your buck!
Samsung Laser, Epson Stylus Photo R300M
by Reframmellator - 4/4/06 6:36 PM In reply to: What brand of printer do you own, and are you happy with it? by Marc Bennett
For years we've been a two printer home - a monochrome laser for lower cost, higher speed text, and a color inkjet for everything else. With four heavy users averaging 1100 pages per month, it didn't take long to justify the laser. I've helped our two college kiddoes similarly. Our latest lasers are all Samsungs. I've been attracted to their low purchase price, small footprint, bulletproof reliability, speed, and low cost per page. Play it right and you can get a new printer for less than the cost of a replacement toner cartidge - just like inkjets. I have a Samsung ML-1430 at home with 8230 flawless pages on the clock, and both kids have ML-1740 lasers which have worked equally well.
The kids have multifunction inkjets - an HP PSC950 and an Epson CX5400. Both do everything reasonably well, though the Epson seems to be a little more reliable and economical. That surprised me.
I have an Epson Stylus Photo R300M for photos, color, and CD/DVD printing. It works very well, although I understand Epson has since made some needed improvements to the disc tray feeder mechanism. Photos, text, graphics, and discs all print wonderfully at a low cost and with decent speeds for a photo printer.
BTW, I love HP stuff, especially their lasers. I'm writing this on an HP MediaCenter PC. HP printers are like tanks, but I've seldom had a need to pay a premium for them when nearly equivalent reliability and equal quality can be had for less.
All of these printers network easily. Some cheapies, like the KonicaMinolta 1350W, do not.
hp psc 2410
by njennings - 4/4/06 6:42 PM In reply to: What brand of printer do you own, and are you happy with it? by Marc Bennett
have had this all-in one printer for two years and am very happy with it, no problems.
| Forum legend: | |
 |
Locked thread |
 |
Moderator |
 |
CNET staff |
 |
Samsung staff |
 |
Norton Authorized Support team |
 |
AVG staff |
 |
Windows Outreach team |
 |
Dell staff |
 |
Intel staff |
