Community Newsletter: Q&A: 5/6/05 What's safe and legal to download using a file-sharing program?
- 5/12/05 2:39 PM
Upgrading from vinyl
by eric90230 - 5/9/05 6:48 PM In reply to: CD Quality....Hardly. by mp3artists>> Music downloaded on a peer to peer is a far cry from CD quality. <<
Blah, blah, blah. My point is, it’s okay if I make a CD by uploading my vinyl into the computer, because what I get is still only vinyl-quality music, with pops and hisses, etc. People who download songs and try to justify it by saying “I already purchased the vinyl” are still getting far better quality without paying for it, and that’s cheating.
In the past I downloaded music and tried to rationalize it just that way myself, but I was sort of fooling myself. Now I pay as I go.
cry me a river eric the reformed downloader, lmfao
by mp3artists - 5/10/05 6:49 PM In reply to: Upgrading from vinyl by eric90230right we believe you'er just a poor guilty conscience racked ex downloader reformed sinner.
Dude you don't know jack about audio science, ethics , or THE LAW.
The Law clearly states an owner of media containing copyrighted intellectual property, may be backed up using whatever technology is available to that media's owner.
Why don't you go satisfy your deep downloading desires
and get yourself some more porn or music that you already have on your hardrive and never got rid of from your "downloading days". Get an education, you obviously know little or nothing but your own opinion on this.'
Cheating
by eric90230 - 5/13/05 5:59 PM In reply to: cry me a river eric the reformed downloader, lmfao by mp3artistsWow, dude, if this is your idea of flirting, you’re not very good at it. But let’s stay on the subject.
>> The Law clearly states an owner of media containing copyrighted intellectual property, may be backed up using whatever technology is available to that media's owner. <<
Um, any particular country’s law you’re quoting here? Oh, wait, you're not even quoting it. LOL
Questions of legality aside, I’m against cheating. If I own the vinyl, and I download an MP3 and burn a CD, then I’m getting a free CD, and that’s cheating.
I realize that when master debaters engage in personal attack it usually means they’ve lost the argument, but give it a try anyway, okay, little buddy?
Hey gretchen and a message to all
by imkain - 5/6/05 6:56 AM In reply to: 5/6/05 What's safe and legal to download using a file-sharing program? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I use the following programs to see what is out on the net...one of them is illegal for the RIAA, the MPAA, and the US Government to even monitor. The one that can not be monitored is Direct Connect found at http://www.neo-modus.com the catch with this program is you need to share a substantial amount to get into certain hubs. Shareaza (http://www.shareaza.com) is a great program with 100% no spyware, only difference there is that it uses it's own network plus Grokster's and eDonkey's. Kazaa lite I used to use, but due to it's popularity with the RIAA and MPAA, they have overloaded it with bogus copies of most songs. On Shareaza users can comment on files and let you know ahead of schedule if the file is a bogus one. Hopefully this information is helpful to all. Long live the resistance 
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Illegal File Sharers Attention
by mrketchfish - 5/6/05 10:27 PM In reply to: Hey gretchen and a message to all by imkainIt's not just illegal to share copywritten material without permission, it's immoral. If you don't own it and the owner hasn't given you permission but you download it or upload it for others to grab - You are stealing it.
Many artists do provide some of their work for free download, I do myself, with the caveat that it's for personal use. It's good business - give folks a sample and they'll buy whatever it is your selling.
Google the band name if you're looking for some of their work. Look for permissions to make sure it's legal. Please don't steal - songwriters deserve the opportunity to retire too.
so is the bible (immoral)
by imkain - 3/17/06 8:42 AM In reply to: Illegal File Sharers Attention by mrketchfishhmm let's see here...immoral to steal songs is it...well then I guess everything is immoral than. Take a look around you...even in your songs. Everyone is immoral. Deal with it.
what?
by MichaelF - 3/17/06 6:35 PM In reply to: so is the bible (immoral) by imkainYour message does not make any sense. Of course it is immoral to steal, no matter what it is. I don't get how you take the leap to everything and everyone is immoral. Are you on something?
Michael
nope
by imkain - 3/18/06 9:42 PM In reply to: what? by MichaelFIt just doesn't make sense how one minute people find certain things immoral and other things not. Like people who smoke medicinal marijuana are considered immoral in the eyes of the feds. On one hand people view these people as not immmoral, while others do. I was just stating the obvious. Anyways, if it can be retrieved off of the net, like I could do a background check on you for $20...is that a moral thing to do...probably not, but I can. So to answer a few questions about the internet...if I can get it for free I will and I have no qualms about it since I have no morals...I could care less about other people's opinions and morals since I would rather live my life carefree. Sorry if some people do not agree with that style of life, but guess what...it's my choice...and your choice is either complain and whine...or change the channel.
good
by MichaelF - 3/19/06 1:16 AM In reply to: nope by imkainI am glad you have finally shown your true colours. You have said that you couldn't care less other people and have no qualms getting something that is not free, for free, if you can. That definition makes you a thief at worst and a receiver of stolen goods at best.
No I don't agree with your style of life, I live believing in other peoples rights to make an honest living and to help and have compassion for each other. It is your choice and also your choice to whine and complain about other people who disagree with you and to try to justify your pathetic and sad attitude. I also have the right to express my point of view.
Michael
this is true
by imkain - 3/19/06 6:33 AM In reply to: good by MichaelFMy question to you is why do you have morals...is it due to religion or due to self-righteousness. However, what troubles me is why am I considered a thief? Riddle me this....with the expanse knowledge one can learn from the internet and use in reports (for college homework), and likewise...why do college professors consider that sometimes immoral to copy and paste certain paragraphs...or better yet, you change the format of a paragraph into your own words...yet they still call it plagarism. It's a no-win situation...basically what I am trying to condone is that RIAA and the MPAA, as well as glorified artists who should really make the same amount of money as the people who run this website (the average Network Administrator makes 150k to 300k). While a singer gets over a million a year because they sang and toured. Wow...a network administrator has more responsibility than a singer should ever have. People should be paid within reasonable salary ranges...not glorified, over-inflated wages. Thus my opinion...singers, musicians, and bands make way too much money so they should not gripe...and of story...next case.
What a sad question
by MichaelF - 3/20/06 4:31 AM In reply to: this is true by imkainYou ask 'why do I have morals?' what a weird question. I am not religous and I consider your attitude more self rightous so why do I have morals? Well I can't answer that, I suppose I believe in the basic goodness and honesty of people and like to do the right thing than purposely hurt people for my own selfish goals. Apart from that I think the question is very sad and feel very sorry for you.
The reason why professors do not like plagarism is because you are taking someone elses intelligence, effort and perseverence and passing it of as your own. Thats pretty low. Apart from that it also means that you have not learned anything, which is why you are there in the first place. I mean all you have demonstrated is that you are capable of using ctrl c followed by a ctrl v and performing some formatting, in my book that means you learned nothing, did nothing and trying to get something for nothing, which I think sums you up nicely.
As for the size of pay packets who are you to decide what someone is worth? Network administrator are paid that much because through hard work, perseverence and attitude they have learned a skill that a company values to that degree. The money is not coming out of your pocket. Likewise if an artist makes a company millions because millions of people derive enjoyment from their art, novel, music or whatever then they receive what they are worth to that company. It should be noted though that most artists do not make enough from their passion to make a living. Also the disaster of a life most artists, actors etc have and there lack of privacy, trivial and shallow relationships etc does not make me envy them at all.
You should stop feeling sorry for yourself and envying everyone else and go out there and carve out your own niche in this world. It may take some hard work and effort but the rewards and satisfaction will be well worth it
Michael
hmm let me ponder this for a moment
by imkain - 3/21/06 5:14 AM In reply to: What a sad question by MichaelFHmm I don't seem to feel sorry for myself...and I don't envy other people. I happen to enjoy my life, technically everyone around me says I have too much positive energy, as well as I have the energy of most 10 year olds. Regardless, my comment about artists was not that I envy them...I just don't believe in their salaries regardless if they make millions of people like them, it's ludacrious. Anyways, I like staying home and enjoy raising my son, playing video games with him, as well as playing video games by myself. I do have morals...and you are right...I am self-righteous, since I believe that a world without religion would be a better place since there would be no wars over religion, amongst other things.
also in reference to last paragraph
by imkain - 3/19/06 6:38 AM In reply to: good by MichaelFHmm pathetic and sad attitude huh...hmm let me ponder that for a bit...on second thought, I don't have to. I have more than helped lots of people who have asked for things for free and not pay the over glorified costs of music. Regardless, I find it funny how you think I live a pathetic life when I'm livin it up, amazing...didn't you get the memo...nice people finish last.
Its not a race.
by MichaelF - 3/20/06 4:48 AM In reply to: also in reference to last paragraph by imkainSo you help people get things for free, that does not make you a philanthropist when you give people stuff that is not yours.
And I did not say that your life was pathetic (it might be, I don't know) only that your attitude was. If you are living it up so much why do you have to steal?
Didn't you get the memo...what comes around goes around.
umm it is a race, but whatever
by imkain - 3/21/06 5:19 AM In reply to: Its not a race. by MichaelFJust to sum me up and explain myself a bit. Highly energetic, suffers from ADHD (actually I enjoy every minute of it), work 2 days a week at a non-profit organisation on their computers, have a 5 year old son, and have had a steady relationship with his mom. Now to flip the coin on it's edge...I have done the whole nice guy thing...and paid for everything...don't get me wrong...when Microsoft releases a new OS, or the next great video game comes out, or Anti-Virus...I pay for those (pirating those are no fun due to the hassles of single-player only, and the loss of definition updates). This is the come around part for me...the goes around part was them.
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