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Community weekly poll: What's your take on DRM technology?
- 3/15/06 4:21 PM
What's your take on DRM technology?
by Marc Bennett - 3/15/06 4:21 PM
What's your take on digital rights management(DRM) technology?
An appropriate response to piracy (tell us more)
A necessary evil to curb piracy (tell us more)
Too restrictive/violation of fair use (tell us more)
Who cares?
What's DRM?
Too restrictive
by - 3/15/06 9:53 PM In reply to: What's your take on DRM technology? by Marc Bennett
There's absolutely nothing stopping Microsoft and Apple from making everybody's songs unplayable whenever the heck they feel like it.
We're paying for the songs - we should be allowed to do what we want to with them, at our own peril.
DRM
by RolliePJ - 3/17/06 5:05 AM In reply to: Too restrictive byThis is just another step to make the rich richer. When I buy a song or CD or DVD I have purchased the right to do with that song or movie whatever I wish to do, other then to make copies to sell and make a profit. They have laws on the books right now to prosecute anyone making a profit on them. It is like having speeding laws and to make sure no-one breaks these laws you aren't allowed to drive your vehicle on the roads, just up and down your driveway. They stop the speeders now and let the other drivers go on with their business so what is the difference.
a better analogy...
by captainapostrophe - 3/17/06 9:26 AM In reply to: DRM by RolliePJA better analogy would be that in order to stop shoplifting, the only place you could wear new clothes would be in the store they were purchased in or in your own home. And nowhere else. Under penalty of law...
DRM
by Jr252 - 3/25/06 11:49 AM In reply to: DRM by RolliePJThe money they have been putting into these kinds of things would have been better spent on several things. One, paying the Artists what they deserve to be paid and Two, going after the Pirates and those that aid them. I'm including the major Filesharing services like Kazaa and iMesh here, since despite their feeble protests to the contrary, they are fully capable of doing what the MPAA and RIAA do to find pirated movies and music. And this goes for major software companies link Microsoft and others that are developing DRM systems as well.
A failed technology.
by R. Proffitt - 3/16/06 6:41 AM
In reply to: What's your take on DRM technology? by Marc Bennett
The forum policies dictate we can't tell exactly how, but each DRM has, so far been broken.
-> Imagine the billions of dollars spent on DRM and it's far from bulletproof.
Why is that?
Who paid?
Bob
DRM is a waste of time and it sucks
by peter lovatt - 3/17/06 2:30 AM In reply to: A failed technology. by R. Proffitt
I teach my kids to respect copyright, so they buy music, rather than just download it.
The other night one of them bought a DRM track for the first time.
The licence failed and it was after customer services closed.
To get the track he paid for another download. He then found it was only playable on my computer, and he wanted it on his.
So he converted it to MP3 and copied it onto his computer!
1. Decent people will pay for music if they understand why they should.
2. DRM is a hassle for decent people
3. It is easily bypassed by a 14yr old with reasonable computer skills.
Why go to so much trouble to abuse the customers you should be keeping happy????
MSN-DRM
by venverloo - 3/17/06 3:13 AM In reply to: DRM is a waste of time and it sucks by peter lovatti hate it now...i was looking for an album a long time.i found it in the shop from MSN Music.i read about the program you have to install and the license.i download the album for 10 dollars.yes,i can listen to it by media player.in the shop it says it is easy to burn and that you may burn it 8 times;o.k.,fine with me!and than the problems began...if i want to burn it by windows player (the latest version for windows 98SE)i must buy/have easy cd creator from Adaptec! i have Nero.i had to find out on my own how to solve this.if i remember correct,i had to install a Nero plugin,but i am not sure anymore.so i did.but whatever i try,i CAN'T burn it! i even downloaded other burning programs,even programs who said that they can burn files protected by DRM.but no,nothing worked...i gave up and went back to the files on my pc.and my god,THERE i read in the license i ONLY may use the files to LISTEN to it,NOT burn !!!! that's not fair! in the shop they said you may burn it 10 times!so i sent a mail at MSN shop.ok,i get my prepaid money back.so i downloaded another album.the shop said again that i may burn it 10 times.and yes,even the license said it now!so i tried,and i tried,and i tried.....noway i can burn it! the same trouble as with the other album! and yes,i even tried to convert it to mp3,even wav,but even that didn't work...,because of the DRM.it isn't fair.i sent an angry mail to MSN,again,but never heard from them anymore.so i removed all those **** and never by from MSN again! there are enough other legal shops here in the Netherlands, a whole album for 10 euro.without complicated stuff,DRM and other ****.i am a music lover and 10 euro is a nice price instead of 22 euro for the cd itself in a store.and sometimes i buy/download it from the site of the artist him/her self.in other words: it is good to protect the music,but when you download it legally,please make it not so difficult!
I have found...
by WebAnt - 3/17/06 6:00 PM In reply to: DRM is a waste of time and it sucks by peter lovattThat some of the most stupid people in the world have college degrees. Such is the case with execs in the music and movie industries that insist on going to extremes to stop some of its consumers from breaking the law at the expense of sometimes inconveniencing all of their customers.
LOL and agreeing!
by redm - 3/18/06 10:53 PM In reply to: DRM is a waste of time and it sucks by peter lovattWhat you said is SO true! I keep my family honest and I really hate being treated like a potential crook. It's offensive, intrusive, and one-sided.
AM I BUYING OR RENTING?
by WORSTBABY - 3/17/06 3:41 AM In reply to: What's your take on DRM technology? by Marc Bennett
if i am BUYING a copy of a song from itunes or anybody else then I OWN THAT COPY!!!! they are telling us that we are buying copies but they are treating us like renters.
come out and say "you are RENTING this copy. it belongs to us and we maintain complete control of our property".
the ultimate goal of these people is to make you pay a fee every time you listen. the greed and hypocracy of the record industry is slowly causing it's downfall. they tell you you are "robbing the artist" if you don't "buy" a seperate copy for each of your "players". you might want to talk to some recording artists and ask them about the royalties they must go to court to collect. there are no bigger thieves than the major record labels. the average new artist winds up "owing" the company no matter how much it sells. the most "creative" thing going on in the average major is accounting.
I originally thought...
by WebAnt - 3/17/06 6:08 PM In reply to: AM I BUYING OR RENTING? by WORSTBABYthat DRM was a good idea. A reasonable idea. However, after reading only several posts I realize how wrong I was. Thanks to everyone for opening my eyes of understanding. The record and movie companies are evil. There is no getting around it. I hope those who are pirating their stuff put them out of business. Then the only way we could get music is to buy it directly from the artists themselves who will have to find ways to get their products to consumers without going through some money grubbing big corporations.
DRM perpetuates the "old order"
by tao51nyc - 3/17/06 3:43 AM In reply to: What's your take on DRM technology? by Marc Bennett
DRM is symbolic of an old, established control hierarchy that is trying desperately to hang on to it's power, while seeing it erode day by day. DRM only benefits the major labels represented by RIAA, who have up to now had utter control over 80% of the music you are allowed to listen to. I get so tired of hearing their false arguments that they are trying to "protect artists". Artists don't get squat from record deals - never have. They make their most bucks on tour - why do you think the Stones are still out there at their age? They claim that all "illegal downloading" is costing them millions in lost revenue. They never consider that people are downloading because (1) they still believe in that quaint little concept called "fair use", (2) the widely held view that a significant amount of the label's CD offerings suck, and they are tired of spending $20 for a CD with 17 songs on it, but only two of which are any good, or (3), as in my case, they didn't care one way or another until someone tried to tell them they couldn't.
DRM also benefits Micro$oft, who also wants desperately to hang on to its brute-force dominance of anything involving computer software technology (they're the ones who spent all that money on it, in answer to another poster's question)
The internet is undermining the old ways of doing things, and frankly if it forces the labels to either change their ways or go broke, that's a good thing. But at the same time it's empowering thousands of independent artists who, instead of resisting change, embrace the technology to bypass the labels and find their own niche audience - they may never be mega stars, but their overhead is a 100 times lower, and they can buy houses and cars and put their kids through school doing what they love.
As has been stated many times by others, DRM only drives customers away, and can usually be broken in minutes, sometimes hours. I have always paid for music, but before the internet, the terms of use made sense. Now the pendulum has swung too far the other way - the labels can't trust me with traditional "fair use", so they'll only allow me to "rent" the songs for awhile. That is unacceptable. So I boycott the labels and stick with the indies.
Good independent or off label artists site...
by WebAnt - 3/17/06 6:11 PM In reply to: DRM perpetuates the "old order" by tao51nycis emusic.com. Check it out everyone.
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