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- 2/15/06 8:31 AM
DVD ships with rootkit. The lesson was not learned.
by R. Proffitt - 2/15/06 8:31 AM
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1926917,00.asp?kc=ewnws021506dtx1k0000599
Say it with me...
"Here we go again."
Bob
Yep,...... About the Hidden Smith Family
by Marianna Schmudlach - 2/15/06 8:59 AM
In reply to: DVD ships with rootkit. The lesson was not learned. by R. Proffitt
http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/archive-022006.html#00000810
Part of the plan?
by fondy - 2/17/06 4:58 AM In reply to: DVD ships with rootkit. The lesson was not learned. by R. Proffitt
I can't help but wonder if the ultimate goal of the RIAA/MPAA is to keep their products out of computers altogether.
This rootkit is a double-edged sword. One the one hand, the content owner gets some bad PR for using malicious techniques to protect his content, but on the other hand, think about how many potential pirates are stopped because everyone is afraid to load the CD/DVD into a computer. Meanwhile, if the disc will still work in a conventional player, then it's 'no harm no foul' as far as the industry is concerned.
Fearmongering > DRM?
The other problem is it stops some games from working.
by R. Proffitt - 2/17/06 5:38 AM
In reply to: Part of the plan? by fondy
I don't have a clear view or clean case on this one yet but it appears the rootkit can cause some PC games (which have copyprotection) to fail to run.
You can imagine how upsetting it is for some to play a DVD then their 50 dollar games no longer function. It's also not funny that they may not know what's going on and may end up at some service desk which will also know nothing about this and reload the OS onto the machine.
The consumer loses all around on this one.
Bob
DRM again?
by Candya - 12/3/08 12:13 PM In reply to: The other problem is it stops some games from working. by R. Proffitt
Great and here i figured the one company had a taste of enough P.O'ed customers. I havent read the article in this chat but I take it ... Well actually from what ive heard so far in this blog it might be my issue to a degree. I dont know how many DVD games I have bought that dont work quite right in this machine. Another one has been tormented beyond belief my brand new tower has gone downright stupid. DVD-rw drive has gone screwy. So what company should I have to blame for this? I went nuts in store doing mini protests over the Sony Ordeal. Sure the store workers didnt like it. And I was like WHAT?? What and im supposed to be happy about companys' ability to steal my info yet im not allowed to steal from them? They can down right ruin my bank account and any other thing in my machine threw their rootkits. But im not allowed to play a game or movie in my machine without a massive computer black out? And yet I still get stuck buying cruddy movies and cruddy games that arent worth the money nor worth the suffering. Until you stop selling Im not gonna stop whineing til everyone in this store hears about it. Ive heard about the sueings going on companys/college/other dude vs. Sony. Sony should rott. I havent bought sony since the big stink unless I happened to get a money dont by them.
This Thread Is 2 1/2 Years Old
by Grif Thomas - 12/3/08 1:12 PM
In reply to: DRM again? by Candya
This thread IS about an old issue.. Did you check the date on the thread?
Hope this helps.
Grif
Keep the game out of computers??
by pearl298 - 2/17/06 7:39 AM In reply to: Part of the plan? by fondyIf that is thrie goal then they also need to keep it out of today's CD/DVD players which all have computers to run them!
The owner's manual in my new Camry warns against trying to play ''copy protected'' CDs in the stock CD/Radio player.
The problems introduced may be more subtle, but you can't just reboot and reload you car radio!
The fundamental problem is unexpected bugs - have YOU ever seen ANY software with none?
Ask Airbus about the first A310 ''fly by wire'' that flew into the ground at the Paris Airshow a few years back.
NOw remember that the average car today has more than 20 computers on board ...
From memory a certain BMW has 64 ...
by R. Proffitt - 2/17/06 7:43 AM
In reply to: Keep the game out of computers?? by pearl298
Albeit very small computers (microprocessors), the move to embedded computing makes for some very nice operations.
Bob
Audio and Video DRM
by Mark Krogstad - 2/17/06 5:51 AM In reply to: DVD ships with rootkit. The lesson was not learned. by R. Proffitt
The executives that run these corporations must be tech illiderate. Anyone with a couple of working brain cells can use a patch cord and a recorder program to copy music from CD (even the most protected disk on sale) It may take longer but it works. Video DVD's whether standard or high def will be copied (even with Trusted Computing's Corporate Dictator Chip and software [Seig Hiel!]) When I BUY something out of the store I OWN it. I will use it on devices or form I OWN. Licensing IS B.S. Yes our elected corporate prostitutes will past laws for the corp. dictator wana be's, but until there is a Total Surveillance Police State (coming with RFID) it is so much words on paper.
Audio and Video DRM
by Mark Krogstad - 2/17/06 5:54 AM In reply to: DVD ships with rootkit. The lesson was not learned. by R. Proffitt
The executives that run these corporations must be tech illiderate. Anyone with a couple of working brain cells can use a patch cord and a recorder program to copy music from CD (even the most protected disk on sale) It may take longer but it works. Video DVD's whether standard or high def will be copied (even with Trusted Computing's Corporate Dictator Chip and software [Seig Hiel!]) When I BUY something out of the store I OWN it. I will use it on devices or form I OWN. Licensing IS B.S. Yes our elected corporate prostitutes will past laws for the corp. dictator wana be's, but until there is a Total Surveillance Police State (coming with RFID) it is so much words on paper.
It's getting out of hand
by Geek091 - 2/17/06 6:07 AM In reply to: DVD ships with rootkit. The lesson was not learned. by R. Proffitt
RIAA and MPAA are starting to act more and more like the Mafia. They want to get their "take" from the sale of DVD disks, any hardware capable of playing them, any software capable of decoding them, any drive capable of recording them, and any blank recordable disks that might theoretically be used to copy them -- regardless of whether any of these products are actually used for those purposes.
That's not enough for them, though. Now they want to take over your computer, as well.
If you want to play music or watch a movie that you legally paid for (several times over, in the case of a DVD, since you've also paid royalties on the hardware/software used to decode the CSS protection), now they also expect you to compromise your system's security by allowing them to install hidden rootkits that almost inevitably will be used by virus and spyware writers at some point to hide malicious software.
The only recourse I can see is, firstly, to boycott these companies when it's revealed that they are doing this; and secondly, to launch class-action suits against them for costs related to cleaning up computers and recovering data, and for damages related to any downtime, loss of productivity, and so forth that result if and when the vulnerabilities created by their rootkits are exploited by malicious software.
As for Symantec, it's especially despicable when a company that sells security software does something like this. I haven't used any Symantec security software in years, however, because I find that it's bloated, buggy, and generally less effective than other security products available. So I can't boycott them. But it does give me one more reason to steer my clients away from Symantec products.
Boycott
by RobAlex - 2/17/06 7:45 AM In reply to: DVD ships with rootkit. The lesson was not learned. by R. Proffitt
Supports my decision not to by Norton again. Actually any product from Symantec. Not only will avoid these products but any from companies that do this.
Love To Boycott
by ghostcatbce - 2/17/06 4:39 PM In reply to: Boycott by RobAlexI would love to boycott Symantec. Free apps like Zone Alarm have a far more flexible firewall. Unfortunately, when my dad gave me his old computer, it came with Symantec's Security Suite, and getting it off your computer is a beach.
Root-kit
by willowthunder - 2/17/06 10:14 AM In reply to: DVD ships with rootkit. The lesson was not learned. by R. Proffitt
I have discovered this rootkit on my computer and have gone to Sony's link to remove it but to no avail. Anyone have any idea how to get this off?
I am totally frustrated at this point.
here is a self-help guide. Use at your own risk.
by Marianna Schmudlach - 2/17/06 10:26 AM
In reply to: Root-kit by willowthunder
How to remove the Sony - XCP DRM Rootkit
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/topic34904.html
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