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End of support
by tomron - 2/1/06 5:06 AMMS ends support for 98 and ME
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/support/endofsupport.mspx
MS supported 98 and ME?
by CaptainX - 2/3/06 3:57 AM In reply to: End of support by tomronWhen did that happen?
All anyone I know ever had to say about it was that they ended up figuring things out for themselves because MS never managed an accurate count of the bugs, much less any kind of correcting them.
Can you say they're ending support when their support was pretty much invisible? Unless you were a 12:00 Flasher, anything you had to go to tech support for they didn't have a fix for in the first place!
(NT) You're right,just bringing...
by tomron - 2/3/06 4:41 AM In reply to: MS supported 98 and ME? by CaptainXit to everyones attention the so called OFFICAL decision.One of the functions of viiuses and security alert forum is to keep people informed.
What support was there?
by R. Proffitt
- 2/3/06 4:38 AM
In reply to: End of support by tomron
Frankly it doesn't mean much. You can keep using it if it meets your needs.
Bob
When to upgrade from Win98
by dunnbob - 2/3/06 6:06 AM In reply to: End of support by tomronI expect that I can use Win98 for years to come. It has treated me OK.
The question really is, do I wait until there are too many problems or too many things that I can't do (like poor USB support)?
Or do I upgrade to XP early on?
Or do I wait to jump to the next OS that's coming down the pike?
wait
by jc1234 - 2/3/06 7:00 AM In reply to: When to upgrade from Win98 by dunnbobi wil say wait for the new vista progra,. as long as your computer can but it is a os progam and not game and so many can support vista, but you shoudl wait becuase it exceeds where xp failed but becuase it is comming out it might be expensive, new os usally about £130 and xp sp2 will be cheaper but not as good as vista but xp is a lot better than 98 as it is more friendly menu or you can use classic theme
Now... now...
by dancoiv - 2/3/06 9:02 AM In reply to: wait by jc1234Don't put down the Queens English. This person was probably just in a hurry to reply.
Per the original thread, Windows XP is very stable. I wouldn't wait for Vista if you have any issues with Windows 98. I assume you're using Windows 98SE (second edition) which was fairly stable.
If you have a lot of Windows 98 software applications you still need to run, Windows 2000 had some issues, but XP handles most of them pretty gracefully. I know, because my young kids have a lot of educational applications that they still wanted to use once the old PII 300Mhz PC died. (They think these are games, ha!)
Win 2k couldn't run most of these Win 9x apps, but Windows XP seems to be handling all of them. It has also been beneficial as both kids have their own unique login, with a unique picture, so they can clutter their own desktops on the shared PC. So, both my 6 and 3 year olds look like they have been using Windows XP for years. Sadly, they have been.
When you ''upgrade''
by stevestl - 2/3/06 1:26 PM In reply to: When to upgrade from Win98 by dunnbobmake sure that the new OS is a clean install. You're just asking for problems if you purchase an upgrade version that scatters files from here to eternity and has been known to overwrite critcal files. The down side to a full clean install on proprietary systems like Dell and the rest of them that have integrated sound, video, ethernet etc. into the motherboard and not seperate cards will erase the needed drivers for these to work. I've done a couple of systems and it's a royal pain in the egg to get the correct drivers.
If you have a ''built'' computer then you'll already have all the drivers on the disks that came with the cards and it's a non issue, just time consuming.
I have 5 systems running 98SE and have yet to see problems with USB support and do not expect any as USB 2.0 is backwards compatible with the USB 1.0 that 98SE supports.
IMHO, the Win98SE platform is the most stable out of all of the rest including XP for home/small business users.
NT would be the choice for more advanced users and Networks hands down.
Keep your Win 98SE system for as long as it suits your needs, then when it doesn't (can't imagine why?), purchase a whole new system that has been built for the OS that is loaded.
Newer does not always mean better. My 1.8 / 256k systems built new in 2002 running 98SE run circles around both Dell 2.6 / 512k systems running XP purchased in 2005.
If it aint broke don't fix it!!
New computer
by norile - 2/3/06 8:13 AM In reply to: End of support by tomronThis one is on its last legs no more ME support will force me into buying a new one perhaps sooner than I would have wished.
Why worry about it?
by tr400 - 2/3/06 10:05 AM In reply to: New computer by norileWhy worry about all these things. I'm posting this in Ubuntu Linux, which is a very easy Linux distro to learn and has plenty of Apps to go with it. I don't know why all you people stay with Micro-bloat in the first place, when switching to Linux costs a lot less (even if you buy it instead of download it), than MS ever will. I was with MS from 3.1 on but got tired of putting out the outrageous money on a pretty box. Think about what you use a computer for (mostly e-mail and surfing) and then think about what the cost is. Then, switch from the "used car lot" mentality you have been using to the light, the Linux light.
Bill Gates
by stevestl - 2/3/06 2:57 PM In reply to: Why worry about it? by tr400and his cronies unfortunately have the market share of the OS platform industry. Of course, it must have helped with the development of Dos.
I'm with you on the Linux OS.
It's the fault of the Linux developers and management that they do not currently have their foot in the door, this is the reason we do not see their OS on store bought systems.
I see the demise of this company looming, much the same as the demise of Netscape.
It's a shame.
Stamp out and kill the competition has always been a corporate mentality. Look at Netscape and I.E. MS was not fined enough in the settlement regarding that conumdrum.
Savvy marketing and illegal force down the throat tactics enabled MS to gain the browser market share.
Since it's inception, MS Internet Explorer has been flawed with security issues besides being just a POS browser. Why are so many people using it? Because they were not given a choice #1; and #2 they were too stupid to know any better.
Netscape had pop up blocking, spam e-mail contols and an intergrated e-mail program within the browser b4 IE developers even thought about it.
People nowadays generally are not computer illiterate anymore no matter what they think they are and don't know any better. It's the ''Give me the thing so I can push one button'' attitude.
Try asking the new crowd what an UMB configuration is, or STACKS or HIMEM etc. etc; you get the picture.
What Linux needs to do is radical, develop an OS that does NOT use the base 0-1 meg memory hole limitation written in to all systems since God knows when and a superb marketing strategy.
Then they can un-seat Billy Boy and get some competition in the market place which would be a long hard battle since the Widows OS is the dominant OS world wide.
That's what happens in the real world.....brought down to just four words....
You snooze, you lose.
Sorry for the rant.....
Sadly saying goodbye to old (98SE)-son building me new (XP)
by chercabo - 2/3/06 10:11 AM In reply to: New computer by norileAlmost two years ago my son gave me his old computer (the first one he built)with Windows 98SE. My son, in his wisdom, didn't teach me how to use it--but gave me all the "idiot's" books, Professor teaches Windows 98 etc., so I had to teach myself how to use it. I am far from being any where near a "techie" but do feel very confident with the 98SE system--and then about 9 months ago read that MicroSoft was stopping its updating etc. for 98SE in June 2006. So my son is building me a new Windows XP computer (this will be the 8th computer he has built)--I'm looking forward to the new computer but sad to say goodbye to the old. At my age (50's) it's hard to say goodbye to a old "friend" (98SE) who has been so steady and true while I plugged along at my pace--now that I finally feel computer "educated" I have to leave my comfort zone and move into the future. So goodbye dear friend--you gave me many hours of enjoyment and education along with hours of frustration and problems too---you will be missed!
Microsoft win 98se support
by howjef - 2/3/06 10:06 AM In reply to: End of support by tomronSeveral years ago after having yet again been foolish enough to installed a ''critical update''(at that time they were threatening to shortly end support), I spent almost 20 hours on the phone with Microsoft. That was after getting no help from HP or my ISP.
At the conclusion, the computer was and is still running just fine. But, per Microsoft's instructions at that time, I have never again installed any of their updates on win 98.
Therefore have not needed their support.
In attempting a 'critical update'' on winXP, ran into problems two weeks ago. this time it took only two emails.
Paula
ME Support
by fshuble - 2/3/06 10:50 AM In reply to: End of support by tomronIt's not right to end support for products that alot of people still use and can't afford to upgrade to XP.
Shame but not upgrading!
by paul_5114 - 2/3/06 5:27 PM In reply to: End of support by tomronI've basically used Win 98 for 5/6 years and it never disappoints me, ok it crashes a few times and is pretty slow but gets the job done and I'm satisfied with that. Support was lacking anyway and found it more helpful here and in newsgroups to find ways to improve.
I might wait until Vista comes out before I get a new comp though.
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