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Community Newsletter: Q&A: 1/06/06 How to evict those dust bunnies living in your PC

by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator - 1/12/06 11:13 AM
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Other advice from our members

by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator - 1/5/06 4:27 PM In reply to: 1/06/06 How to evict those dust bunnies living in your PC by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

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Hello, I am not a professional but a hobbyist and I have built from scratch, about 5-6 gaming machines and dust/heat is a major concern.

One way to address the dust build up issue is to simply get the computer off the floor and up onto the desk where it will be more ventilated.

For future modifications to keep dust down you can purchase foam/sponge filter material or actual computer fan/filter devices that are very inexpensive and can be installed on your computer fans or in the pre-cut fan locations in your case, where you may not currently have a fan. This is very simple and low cost...simply 4 screws into the existing holes and the airway is now filtered.

For a case that is already dusty internally, the first thing I do is remove both sides of the case while the computer is on a table or workbench. I then use a can of compressed air ("gas duster"), which are readily available at Staples, WalMart, etc. It is for this specific purpose. Simply attach the included straw that comes with the can and blow the air on all the "stuff" inside the case toward one of the open sides. If you clearly have "dust bunnies" inside the case, don't be afraid to gently reach in and remove them. The main thing to avoid is disconnecting any cables, as touching the internal cards and such is not a big deal.

There are small, inexpensive computer vacuums available where you find the cans of compressed air, I've not tried them personally but I've heard that they are pretty good as well.

So to recap, you can add actual filters to your existing case fans or vacant fan locations, and you can blow out or vacuum out the dust. Finally you can look to optimize the location of your system to reduce dust build up. Hope this has helped you.

Submitted by: Sean P. of Temecula, CA

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For years now I have delighted in building my own PCs, and always enjoyed the process of selecting the best parts at the right price and putting it all together. And not just myself either, I have built a couple of machines for my wife, innumerable systems and servers at the office, and a few miscellaneous machines for other uses. On two of the systems I went so far as to built some intake filters to help keep the innards clean, but I must confess that once the machines are built, they are very rarely ever opened again.

On the occasions that I have opened a box there is not a great deal inside that really needs cleaning, and this despite constant use and a machine that is maybe rarely, if ever, turned off. Dust build-up is invariable around the fan intake and this I clean up with the vacuum machine, waving the suction tube with its brush on across the fan intake to remove the whiskers and fuzz that accumulates.

I do this fairly regularly, like every few months or when I notice dust balls floating around under the desks and tables where these machines live, but I have never bothered to clean the innards; it is simply just not necessary. I also share my house with my wife and two cats, and in the past the feline population has reached four and we have had a couple of ferrets and a skunk thrown in to the mix, although the skunk was de-stunk which I guess goes without saying. The result of all this fuzz was a considerable number of fur-balls floating around which did end up catching on the fan intake grills, but the three-month fuzz-vacuuming was sufficient even in this worst of cases.

Most PCs are supposed to be designed using the concept where the internal pressure is higher than the external, in other words the fans pump air in to the box and let it escape through appropriately positioned grills cut in the case rendering the inside of the PC under pressure. This allows air to be directed and provides for better cooling control. The fan intakes are easily identified in these cases and therefore easily cleaned. I have seem some computers however where the fans blow air out of the box and in this case air is drawn into the box through the grills but also through floppy disc devices, CDs and other holes and inlets that exist in the devices and parts of the computer; and in these cases I have seen dust buildup around the doors and inlets which I assume also puts dust around read/write heads and DVD/CD lenses. Not good. This is less prevalent an occurrence in the pressured PCs and it must be admitted that a small build up of dust tends to act as a filter, accumulating more build-up and helping to keep the innards clean.

I have been working around computers for many decades now and I have never seen a failure caused by lack of dust removal. The most common failure I have seen is caused by fan failure. High-end machines monitor their temperature and fan status, even many PCs have temperature management on the motherboard, but these features often are simply insufficient a warning for the average home PC. What I recommend is every few months vacuuming the fan intakes, removing dust around the machine and checking to see if the fan is blowing air merrily into the PC. Place a sheet of paper over the intake and it should stick there under the fan’s air pressure showing all is well. Also listen and see if you can hear a squeaking or groaning from the fan, another indication that it is passing on to the great dumpster in the sky. In my experience fans die slowly and usually can be caught before too much heat build-up occurs. Fans are cheap and easy to replace, any computer store should be able to do it quickly and inexpensively.

Finally, do not worry about the proximity of a vacuum cleaner to the computer. I have heard people worry about electric motors and magnetic fields affecting the computer’s delicate parts. The magnets inside hard disk devices used for head positioning are incredibly powerful and in my experience there is little other than banging around the parts that will damage a computer. Take care to simply vacuum away the fluff and make sure the fans are functioning and I think the computer will end up being replaced one day simply because it is too old and cannot run the latest software that you want it to.

Submitted by: Lawrence H.

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I've been in the electronics industry for a while now. I'm an LCD monitor repair technician for Dell and I've an associates in electronics science. I can tell you that the dust inside a computer will in no way cause overheating. All the components on the circuit boards are oversized to compensate for them being covered in dust. Oversizing the components allows for greater heat dissipation. Electronic circuit boards naturally attract dust -- the designers know this and have compensated for it.

Submitted by: Gary W.

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I have been using my air compressor, set at 50psi to clean all my computers, as well as friends machines, for over 15 years. I have NEVER ran into anything but favorable results. I remove the memory and the processor to make sure I get all the dust. I blow out the floppy's, zip's, DVD's and CD's. In short, I blow out everything with 50 pounds of pressure, and will continue to do so. It just works so well, I have no reason to stop cleaning my pc(s) in this manner.

Submitted by: Larry

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Joaquin,
I have been taking a shop vac with computer cleaning attachments (available at Wal-Mart) since I cracked the case on my first PC in '93. I went back to school in '99 to become an Electronics and Computer Service Tech, because I felt I knew enough to be dangerous. I still take the shop vac to my computers, but now I have the sense to wear an antistatic band clipped to the unpainted part of my case, and not to wear any jewelry while inside the case.

Turn your computer off, and unplug it, if you do not have an antistatic wristband, you can take your shoes and socks off and stand on a bare floor. (Tile, wood, concrete, etc.) and hold the case while cleaning with the other hand. The above mentioned brushes are plastic and will not conduct electricity, so you don't have to worry about shorting between components and there isn't anything in there, as long as the computer is off, that will shock you. I pull my case fans out and clean both sides, but you can clean them in the case just fine.

Clean around your power supply real good but DON'T OPEN THE CASE TO THE POWER SUPPLY. I do open my power supply and pull the fan out and clean the dust off the components real good, but I only do that because I have been trained and I know which ones will kill you. Now depending on how dusty your home is or how many animals (human males are included in this) you have running in and out of your home, I clean my computers about every 4 months because I have 3 dogs and a significant other, who brings in more dirt than the dogs.

And finally, about a year ago, I was having trouble in my home with mold growing in the air conditioning ducts and on the registers. After cleaning them as far as I could reach, I covered the registers with a filter I got at Lowes designed to cover box fans and prevent them from blowing dust and mold. I saw a drastic reduction in the dust in my home, so I cut the filters in to small enough pieces and taped them over all of the air intake slots on my computer. I now have a small strip of Velcro glued on these spots, the filter sticks to the Velcro and makes changing the filter very easy. Note-Your power supple fan blows out so you don't need to cover this one. The filter material is so thin, it doesn't impede the flow of air through the computer, but it does a dandy job at stopping the dust and in my case the dog hair. I have monitored the temperature inside my case for almost a year now, because I was afraid the filters would impede the air flow, which is dangerous, as that is what keeps your components cool, and my case temperature is running lower and I have very little dust inside now. The filters are washable so about once a month, I pull them off and put a second clean set on and throw the dirty ones in the washing machine with my clothes and lay them on the washing machine to dry, which takes about 10 minutes.

I hope this helps you. My son who is also a tech, but hasn't had any formal training and thinks he know more than his mother is about to find out the hard way that dust will kill a computer faster than anything, except someone who thinks they know what they are doing, but doesn't really. Have fun with your computer, the first thing I did when I got my first computer as yank the case off and see what was inside. Your owners manual will show you now to open your case.

Submitted by: Exie K.

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I periodically clean out my computer and should do it more frequently. You will be amazed to find the vast amount of dust that accumulates inside your computer and near any openings into the computer. I follow the instructions my computer (Dell) gives in opening the computer. It is very easy. Don't be nervous. You must unplug your computer from the power and connectors to other devices to avoid any shock. They also recommend pushing the power button to discharge any electric current from your system. Once open, you have to make sure to touch metal periodically so to discharge any static electricity so not to short out any components inside (if in fact you touch anything inside).

I take my vacuum cleaner with a plastic nozzle and suck out the dust from the computer. I do not touch the nozzle to any surface, keeping it a safe distance away from the components. Don't forget to also take off the computer's faceplate so to suck the dust from the floppy drive, cd player, etc. Good Luck.

Submitted by: Jamie B.

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If you've never cleaned your PC, you're really lucky to operate in a relatively dust-free environment. Get an air blower, from e.g.,
http://www.misco.co.uk/productinformation/~69093~/BELKIN%20BLASTER%20CANNED%20AIR%203.5%20OZ.htm then take as much of the casing off as possible, making sure everything is turned OFF! All you have to do then is point-and spray at all the little bits, fan blades, and memory modules you can see. You won't touch anything, or damage components, and then just replace the casing. More intensive cleaning can be done using "cotton buds", and solvents, but follow the old adage, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!".

AMD offer advice and guidelines on their help pages, but these can be hard to locate. Most CPU cooler-fan manufacturers give advice on cleaning, but the most important thing to watch out for is do NOT move any component! I use, personally, paint brushes, "cotton buds", ethyl alcohol, nail varnish remover(with conditioner), and Bowmans Safety Solvent, but then again. I built my own system.

Submitted by: Lain B.

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I always use a product called Air Duster, manufactured and by Fellowes. This product comes with a long, thin straw that you connect to an air hole just above the trigger on the top of the can. With the straw inserted, you can squeeze the trigger and a forceful burst of air is released from the can. With this product, I can open up my computer case and blow away the dust build up from all of my sensitive computer parts without fear of damaging anything. The product number listed on the can is 99790. I always buy this product from Wal-Mart. It is located in the electronics section. You can also see this product on the manufacture's website at http://www.fellowes.com/Fellowes/site/products/ProductDetails.aspx?Id=99791

Submitted by: Casey T. of Douglas, GA

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I would suggest taking your PC to a PC specialist. They will charge you a fee of $50.00 to $100.00 and clean out the dust inside your PC and "tweak" up anything you feel is causing trouble. To "tweak" up things you feel are malfunctioning, you have to purchase the part(s) and have them install it. If the PC is in bad shape, I will recommend buying a new computer, and then transferring your data from your old computer to a portable hard drive, then copying everything to your new computer.

Submitted by: Bukhari K.



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make sure its compressed air

by larryt2 - 1/6/06 4:13 AM In reply to: Other advice from our members by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

A cople of weeks ago I was installing a firewire card . I always blow the dust out when ever I have the case open
so I grabbed the can of compressed air off the shelf and began to spray . I was temporary horrified to see a big puddle of clear liquid flowing on my video card . (>###@%$ what have I just done) Than after a couple of seconds I realized I had Grabbed a bottle of silicone contact cleaner instead . As this is a pure silicone nonconductive spray I let it sit for a minute and continued my cleaning with the proper compressed air . The only thing now is that the my video card has a waterproof coating on it . I was lucky If this had been another product things could have gotten expensive

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Dust and your PC

by ArtMuscle - 1/6/06 5:54 AM In reply to: Other advice from our members by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I had a PC repair business years, and have been involved with PCs since 1979 and even though my wife made me give it up so she could actually see me once in a while, I still work on them at my home. I have seen dust destroy PCs. I've had PCs brought to me with so much dirt, dust and pet hairs in them, that the entire interior of the case was virtually full. I had to take them outside and actually dump them out prior to a thorough cleaning. If your Power Supply fills with dust, dirt, pet hairs, etc., it will overheat and malfunction. I've heard power supplies blow like a gun shot from the internal components blowing up from overheating. Make sure you blow moisture free compressed air through the Power Supply to clean it out. Also, the CPU heat sinks pack full of dust and debris because the fan pulls the air through them and expels the air straight up from the heat sink, in most cases. If the heat sink gets plugged, it blocks the airflow, and the fan becomes useless. A system's CPU will run hot enough to physically blister your finger if you were to touch it, when not properly cooled. When the CPU emits this much heat, a lot of it is transferred to the main board and it will destroy components around the CPU socket, along with the CPU itself. When this happens, you will end up replacing the motherboard and CPU, which will cost you about 1/3 the price of the PC if you are lucky enough to be able to do the replacements on your own. If you have to take it to a repair shop to have it done, you may as well buy a new PC. Also, everyone says to unplug your PC. Leaving your PC plugged in grounds the unit making it less susceptible to static damage. Voltages inside the cabinet running through your components are low voltage, with the exception of the Power Supply. Your power cord connects directly to the Power Supply, so common sense should tell you to be careful around this, particularly if the unit remains plugged in during your cleaning process. Dust accumulated on your system boards can transfer static electricity, and can damage them if not removed. Some of you can run your systems for years and never see a trace of dust in them, and others will be shocked at the amount of dust, dirt and hair that accumulates inside the cabinets. Cleaning your system of dust bunnies is a necessary task to keep your system running trouble free and avoiding costly repairs.
Note: If you feel it is necessary to reach into the cabinet to physically remove clumps of dust and debris, keep your free hand against an unpainted surface inside the cabinet to ground yourself, if you don’t have a static workstation or wrist strap. Static electricity from your body can destroy internal components. If you’ve ever heard a tiny snap and felt the static shock touching a doorknob or other metal object in your home, you experienced an electrical discharge of around 3,000 volts of static electricity. If it happens to be dark, you can even see the spark as it jumps between your finger and the object you were reaching for. A discharge 1/10th the size of that, which you will neither see nor hear and never now it occurred, can destroy components within your cabinet.

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Leaf blower + ground cable = clean

by psytropic - 1/6/06 1:47 AM In reply to: 1/06/06 How to evict those dust bunnies living in your PC by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I live in AZ so its pretty dusty here, and compressed air would be too expensive for as much as I have to clean my PC.

I use a leaf blower....thats right a leaf blower. I do not use a gas one, yet an electrical one. I also ground the CASE of my PC so the moving air itself that builds up a charge wont hurt my PC.

Yah I know it sounds crazy but I have been doing it for years.

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(NT) Love the creativity! I think I'll try it

by drettig - 1/6/06 5:25 AM In reply to: Leaf blower + ground cable = clean by psytropic

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Alternative to leaf blower

by seancis - 1/6/06 5:59 AM In reply to: Leaf blower + ground cable = clean by psytropic

An alternative to the leaf blower that works just as good is a vacuum cleaner that can blow air. My Kirby does this very well and I've been using it for years to clean my computers.

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perhaps another Alternative to leaf blower

by appple - 1/7/06 3:50 PM In reply to: Alternative to leaf blower by seancis

how about a hair dryer on cool setting???

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LOL - well, it just goes to show ya' . . . .

by Cadillac84 - 1/6/06 6:35 AM In reply to: Leaf blower + ground cable = clean by psytropic

While we are right to worry about static electricity, the little Germanium and Silicon crystals are tougher than we think. :-)

Do you know what a "gold leaf electroscope" is? If not, (and thanks to PracticalPhysics dot org for this link), take a look here:

http://www.practicalphysics.org/go/Experiment_296.html?topic_id=8&collection_id=37

Your local high school physics teacher can probably arrange for you to demonstrate your leaf blower and measure the static charge you are creating. LOL

What you are demonstrating is the same thing I observed in 1985 when I visited the shop from which I had bought my IBM PC-AT for the purpose of obtaining an Extended Memory Board which was to be populated with 108 memory "chips" (the old "spider" things). I had read all the precautions about grounding straps which were grounded to the electrical ground, the computer case or memory board and the tech's wrist. Blah, blah, blah. Here sat a dweeb with a table full of memory chips picking them up, occasionally dropping one or two on the floor, picking it up, blowing the dust off (air supplied by his lungs), poking them into the board, etc. Not a ground strap in sight!! I was appalled, to say the least. But, the memory outlasted the technology and I can tell you that in the 21 years since then, I have never been able to pin a failure on static discharge by myself or any technician I know of -- with or without a ground strap.

However, if I just paid $500 for a 700+ pin microprocessor, I'd be pretty damned careful with it!

I don't doubt that your leaf blower technique is effective, but don't kid yourself about the ground cable. Do that in a room full of oxygen and you'll blow yourself to kingdom come!

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Ground strap...

by darrenforster99 - 1/6/06 3:10 PM In reply to: LOL - well, it just goes to show ya' . . . . by Cadillac84

"Not a ground strap in sight!! I was appalled, to say the least. But, the memory outlasted the technology and I can tell you that in the 21 years since then, I have never been able to pin a failure on static discharge by myself or any technician I know of -- with or without a ground strap."

The reason why you usually don't do much damage without a ground strap to PC components is because most of the time you automatically ground yourself. Once you touch anything made of metal that is connected to the ground in some way you are grounded. What's the first thing you touch when opening your PC up? The case! What is the case made out of? METAL!! instant grounding! Most wrist straps just connect you permanently to the case which prevents the thin chance of you removing your hand from the case for five seconds to twiddle with something and building up a static charge and wiping out your motherboard before re-touching the case. You could always increase your risk of damaging the memory by static by standing on a nylon rug and rubbing your feet back and forth whilst holding the memory but this is not recommended!

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If you enter a room FULL of oxygen you'll...

by Cyberfool - 1/6/06 5:27 PM In reply to: LOL - well, it just goes to show ya' . . . . by Cadillac84

go to sleep, and never wake up, air has less than 20% oxygen.

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Not So

by sallenmd - 1/8/06 1:02 AM In reply to: If you enter a room FULL of oxygen you'll... by Cyberfool

First off, atmospheric air has 21% oxygen. A concentration below 18% will begin to cause ill effects:

11-18%: Reduction of physical and intellectual performance without the sufferer being aware.

8-11%: Possibility of fainting within a few minutes without prior warning. Risk of death below 11 vol%.

6-8%: Fainting occurs after a short time. Resuscitation
possible if carried out immediately.

0-6%: Fainting almost immediate. Brain damage may occur, even if rescued.

Secondly, while you will not "go to sleep and never wake up" in 100% O2, it can be harmful: http://science.howstuffworks.com/question493.htm

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RE: Leaf Blower

by harley-d - 1/6/06 8:05 AM In reply to: Leaf blower + ground cable = clean by psytropic

This is the best one yet, I just tried it and it works great. (if you know what you are doing)

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I use my shopvac blower nozzle

by rishadq - 1/6/06 9:19 AM In reply to: Leaf blower + ground cable = clean by psytropic

I agree with psytropic. I use my shopvac with the blower nozzle (very important -- don't use the vacuum in-port, use the blower out-port). Stand at least 4 feet away, and blast away. Dust? What dust? :)

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Caution with Shopvac

by phrubin - 1/6/06 1:56 PM In reply to: I use my shopvac blower nozzle by rishadq

When using shopvac, or any powerful air BLOWER, it is important to GROUND the nozzle. Air moving quickly through a nozzle can build up static electricity, the very thing you are trying to avoid!

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(NT) thats why you use a ground cable on the TOWER/CASE

by psytropic - 1/6/06 3:03 PM In reply to: Caution with Shopvac by phrubin

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