that means something and if you take the time to read about WHY people hate bose so much, you might reconsider.
you get what you payfor doesnt really mean anything. does a $4200 Marantz receiver mean its better then a $500 yamaha if all you want to use it for is a tape deck? does it mean its 8 times better? NO.
quality speakers never crap out in a year or two.
the list goes on and on. if you dont like the posts, ignore it... "terd".
this was a forum for people who have questions about bose products, not for a bunch of 40 year olds living in their mothers basements leaving nasty product reviews about products they don't own, or have probably never listened to. if you're so upset with bose products buy something else and move on with your life, instead of filling up a forum with a bunch of garbage so people who do have jobs and not alot of time can find out the info they need without searching through all this manure on their day off. you say you like $4200 marantz recievers, congrats! go buy one and get on a marantz forum. i'm sure you wont find it bursting at the seams with bose owners bashing products you have questions about. or is it you try to scare people into not buying bose products with a bunch of false propaganda so that they don't have a better set of speakers than you? if you dont have anything to actually contribute to this forum, THEN GET OUT!
.....white van speakers.
You are rather insulting to say the least. I have been into audio for more than 37 years (that might be longer than you have been living). I have during that time read more than 5 or 6 audio/video magazines monthy. I consider myself to be quite knowledgeable but still have lots to learn and that's one of the reasons I come here. I live in a condo with my wife. My mother passed away a number of years ago. I am not in the business but we have many professional people (far more kowledgeable than me) here who you insult even more than me.
I have owned Bose, the original Bose 901's. I was a newbie then and got hooked by the Bose direct/reflecting/(extreme levels of equalization that required huge amps...nobody told us this part) hype although they were actually superior in quality to the way over priced junk they are pushing now. I am extremely familiar with their products.
There is no other product in the electronics business that receives and deserves the bashing that Bose receives. Go back over this forum and read. Do the same with other froums. You will find no other brands that get a small fraction of the bashing that Bose gets. There are very legitimate reasons for this. If you read this or any other threads about Bose instead of just reacting you will learn why they are a very poor buy and only mediocre in sound quality for a super inflated price.
Many of those people who do the bashing are very knowledgeable in audio/video. We bash Bose not to embarrass those who own Bose but to save those who might be considering Bose from wasting their hard earned money. BTW, I actually work 7 days week six months of the year.
I recently visited the Bose website where I saw a system for $4000. I could assemble system after system for $1200 that were all superior to this Bose system. For $2000 or less I can assemble a system that will knock your socks off. I am talking about a subwoofer in this system that will play down to 18Hz at -3dB's (it has an amp that will produce 350 watts RMS and 1300 watts peak power). The bass module (it is not a subwoofer) in the Bose system will play flat down to about 50Hz if that!
We argue here the merits of Denon receivers versus Yamaha, NAD and Onkyo receivers; Polk speakers versus Energy, JBL, Definitive Technology, and B&W speakers; Panasonic plasmas versus, Samsung, Pioneer, Hitachi and LG plasmas; and Oppo DVD players versus Sony, Panasonic and Denon DVD players. We have differing opinions on these products but agree that all of them are quality products.
Bose is the exception and there is good reason for this. If you own Bose then I'm sorry if you find this bashing disturbing. There are two types of Bose owners. The ones like me who eventually realize they can do much better for much less money finding a quality speaker system. There are others who feel that everything they own is the best and that an attack or bashing on something they own is a personal attack on them. This is a rather immature attitude.
Bose speakers are to quality speakers like Yugo's and Kia's are to quality cars, except that Yugo's were not over priced (oh God, I hope he doesn't own a Kia!).
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I became realy interested in sound in the 7th grade(1958 it was). I grew up in a different part of the country from RR6, had different life experences. When in high school I read all the achives they had of Audio, got my own subscribtion in '63, added two other mags later.
I play guitar and bass, I wanted to be a Recording Engineer, I have done free lance sound engireering all over the country( I still do this). Yes I know what Bo$e speakers sound like, I DON'T LIKE HOW THEY SOUND!!!!!
Yet even over all the differences in our lifes RR6 and I seem agree 98% of the time, why is that??? Because we both know what a good speaker systems sounds like, and Bo$e in NOT a good sounding speaker system!
I challenge Bo$e to a shoot out!!!!
I did one at the station 2 weeks ago and Bo$e lost BIG time! John
by the law of large numbers. bose gets more bashing because they sell more products. marketing success notwithstanding, no company can survive for long in such a competitive market without making the end user happy. this does not mean that bose speakers will be all things to all people. there are plenty of unsatisfied customers, i'm sure from every electronics company in the world. the only way any company can survive for long is to make MOST of it's customers happy. it is true that bose is much more successful at marketing it's products than any other speaker company, but then so is apple with it's ipod, but there are plenty of unhappy ipod owners. if you take a look at the average electronics forum for any device, the one who sells the most will generate the most hate forums.
the problem is, most of the information that's on these forums is not objective and from my perusal of the feedback most of the bashers do not own the equipment.
i own a high end a.v. setup and a bose am 10 IV speakers and i do not consider bose to be either high end, or rediculously expensive, but out of most budgets. it sounds decent for the money but it does not sound like expensive equipment, which you will not find anyway at best buy, circuit city or any of the popular franchises.
i will say that i have few complaints about the bose systems that i have heard and the one that i own.
I am not sold on BOSE but don't have the expertise to assemble a decent, approximately $2000-$2500 sound system on my own. The key for me, however, is to 1) have as small a footprint as possible (small speakers like Bose and as small a set of components too) and 2) ease of use. My wife and kids will not be able be easily frustrated if the system has too many options and/or is difficult to turn on.
Roadrunner indicated he could assemble a superior system for less than $2000. Keeping in mind the smaller size constraints listed above and ease of use (an easy to use and program universal remote) could you possibly make some suggestions?
Thank you.
serious speaker auditioning as the speakers are the most personal part of the set up.
I do not hate Bose but advocate other options. Small footprint? Then Google for Orb speakers. Moderate price & enviable performance.
then please explain to me how the lifestyle 38 can cost $3000. oh, you're probably gonna say "because you're getting amazing quality speakers"....even though bose sells the acoustimass 10 system with the SAME speakers for $1000(thats $2000 less).
ok, so then you say "because you get a reciever with a built in harddrive so you can play 200 hours of music." buy a receiver for $200 and an ipod for $350 and there is your 300+ hours of music.
and since you probably dont even know the system i'm talking about even though your defending them...you might do research and say "but it comes with an RF remote". AMAZING AINT IT. CUSTOMIZABLE rf remotes can be bought for around $200....which can control your lights, multiple tv's, multiple rooms.
then you'll say "it'll put music to 14 other rooms or zones"...guess what, they each require special proprietary bose equipment which are at least $800 each...and at the end, you're still stuck with the non-customizable clunky bose remote. what if the remote breaks? uh oh, you need to go crying back to bose because a regular universal remote wont work.
my mommy is making me go mow the lawn now and wash the dishes...and after that, i have an interview for a job at 7-11.
In you second post you say the following!!!
"if you dont have anything to actually contribute to this forum, THEN GET OUT!"
WHAT HAVE YOU CONTRUBITED to this fourm??? If anything!!
John
Have you heard other stuff? I bet I can give you a list of components that would cost you half the price and sound much much better then the Bose system you have in your home right now.
To top that off, the speakers woofers are made out of Silk and Teflon. But no, those cardboard and foam Bose speakers suit you fine. Hey its your money but like you said consumer reports said something good about the watchya might-call it so theres a great backing to your argument.
There's a saying ; "friends don't let friends buy BOSE " . There's a reason for it . There are alot of other manafacturers that actually sound better , cost less and are a far greater value than BOSE . Let your ears be your guide though . If you try something from Bose or another manafacturer , and you genuinely believe it has the best sound and it's within your price range , get it .
I've had bose speakers for 9 yrs--501's. for front and single cube for surround.the sound is wonderful plus the footprint is not to large.i did invest in a subwofer,which helped the 501's with mid range.
This is my passion and I've sold High End audio for decades before and EVERYTIME we advertised Bose 301's onsale we ALWAYS were easily able to switch someone to a different speaker by simply using the A:B comparison which Easily shows how poor the Bose sounds especially in imaging.
These guys are the Oreck's of the Audio world and they've done such a good job of marketing to new comers in Audio that they've killed off the excellent Older brands from the 60's and still manage to make 100% - 500% profits on the unknowing public.
When it comes to sound however you really need to use your ears since that's all you'll be doing with the systems and if it sounds ''Good'' to you then buy it but with Bose you're Always paying 3 times what you need too.
After hearing and seeing most every brand (even exotics much more expensive than Bose) it just comes down to the way that you listen and the Music you listen to. Home Theater is NOT music just Boom so I don't ever use it and just connect a Stereo System to it since I don't sit and watch for hours so it makes No difference to me.
Bottom line is when you go somewhere and they can't compare the Bose to other good equipment there's a reason for that and after you train your ears (years sometimes) you will hear Major differences that will make you understand why these guys are making so much money. Also all Bose Dealers are prohibited from discounting any product or they lose their franchise too.
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