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Community Newsletter: Q&A: 12/16/05

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Post 61 of 135

Buy an LCD if you need a small screen for a small area...

by gary85739 - 12/16/05 7:42 AM In reply to: 12/16/05 by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

GREAT for kitchen counters, bookshelf,etc.

They COST alot more and if space is NOT a consideration, why buy a LCD at all?

As for electronics in general, NONE take much abuse, don't dropkick your LCD or even your CRT for that matter, electronics are NOT good for abuse!

Post 62 of 135

CRT vs LCD

by George B. Lockwood - 12/16/05 7:42 AM In reply to: 12/16/05 by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Great reply, very informative

Thank you Paul K. of Gladstone, Michigan

Post 63 of 135

(NT) You are very welcome!

by comicfan - 12/16/05 10:44 AM In reply to: CRT vs LCD by George B. Lockwood

Post 64 of 135

No electric current

by unklhugh - 12/16/05 7:45 AM In reply to: 12/16/05 by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

An excellent review with a very subtle error:

"When electric current passes through the solution, it causes the crystals to align themselves so that light can't pass through them."

It is not an electical current that flows through the liquid crystal. The application of a voltage across the liquid crystal causes an electric field with NO current flow. The electric field causes the crystals to align themselves.

Post 65 of 135

CRTs VS LCD Monitors

by ranadeau - 12/16/05 8:09 AM In reply to: 12/16/05 by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I own both LCD and CRT Monitors and I agree that LCD monitors have their place and numerous practical advantages but, when doing critical graphic design work or technical wriring, the shaper, crisper image makes the CRT a winner hands down.

A friend who does nothing but desktop publishing and is involved with formatting translated (language) documents has two 21 inch CRT monitors connected to her system. She displays the English version of a document on one and the foreign language version of that same document on the other. The small text, images, and illustrations, would make it difficult for her to work on LCD displays with their lesser sharpness.

When comparing High Definition LCD, Plasma, DLP TV sets to something like the High Definition 4:3 aspect ratio Sony Trinitron (now discontinued) the clearest picture by far is on the Sony CRT whether you are watching an HD broadcast, DVD, or analog broadcast. The drawback of this Sony set was that it weighed 340 lbs.

A friend who is an executive with Panasonic tells me the CRTS will disappear strictly because it costs too much to ship these heavy tube TVS. It is a cost issue. Even he readily admits that in spite of the high quality pictures that Plasma, DLP and LCD sets deliver they still do not compare to the CRT. After looking at a lot of TVS I concurr. But, what will my next purchase be, probably one of the flat panel Plasmas or DLP or even an LCD set because they are getting better and better and are available in larger sizes and their pictiure quality is good enough for me.

Ron in New Hampshire

Post 66 of 135

LCD!

by AlbertW - 12/16/05 8:15 AM In reply to: 12/16/05 by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Great post...

I will never buy another CRT monitor. I've switched to all LCDs. The picture quality is GREAT (unless you buy cheapo LCDs)! The energy use is GREAT! The sharpness of an LCD when using DVI blows away CRTs that get fuzzier over time.

Get some good LCDs and you won't be sorry. I have two Dell 1905s and two Dell 2405s. I use them for business applications mostly, and some photo editing as a hobby.

Post 67 of 135

Motion video

by guberro - 12/16/05 8:28 AM In reply to: 12/16/05 by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Paul's answer is entirely correct as far as the technical differences between CRT and LCD displays.

The ONLY thing left out is VIEWER preference! I would have to say overall, base the purchase on what YOU the user prefer.

Go a store and look at every display there then make up your mind. Some people don't like LCD's, they find it hard to read as the text is generally smaller than that of a CRT.

While both CRT's and LCD displays will operate at different resolutions, LCD panels will only look good at their native resolution while CRT's will look good at any resolution they are capable of displaying.
For example, a 15" LCD native resolution is 1024x768 pixel resolution. Make it display at 800 x 600 and you will see a very blobby picture. That same resolution change on a CRT will be totally useable and crisp.

And then there is motion! To this day, CRT's are still better for motion since LCD displays tend to have far more "persistance" or video lag. CRT's are far superior for motion and if you do any sort of video editing or gaming it may be wise to have a dual monitor setup, one LCD for graphics/text/applications and one CRT purely for video.

The bottom line is, check out a potential purchase before committing, try it out in every aspect you will be using the monitor. Don't assume it will look great in motion because text or graphics look good, try it out in very way you will be using it!

As far as flicker is concerned with a CRT, the refresh rate can be cranked up to 75Hz and will produce no noticeable flicker. Out of the box computers are set to 60Hz refresh which will make you sick within the hour AND seriously beat with overhead or in room fluorescent lighting!

Post 68 of 135

Why do I buy LCD monitor(s) ??

by Mark0 - Technologist - 12/16/05 8:37 AM In reply to: 12/16/05 by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Cost is not an issue. I once dropped over $700 on a 15" CRT, my 19" LCD cost me $600 !!!

Think EYESTRAIN.

Even when new, CRT monitors display NOISE as well as DISTORTIONS of images presented.

Granted they (CRT) can display a higher resolution then the current crop of LCDs and have a wider, more accrate range of colors.

LCD's on the other had will always display SQUARES as SQUARES (no distortion), have consistant brightness across the whole screen, not create eyestrain because of REFRESH and will ALWAYS fill the entire screen with an image.

There are things to look for in a LCD (not in any order):

1. Resolution (1280x1024 is MINIMUM in my book) 1600x1200 would be wonderfull but the dots are two small for my eyes. A recent survey showed that over %50 of those that responded have their monitors set to 1024x768.

2. Speed - Rated in "MS" where lower number is better. Mine is rated at 25MS. (I don't notice a blur) Newer more expensive monitors are up to twice that fast (10MS). This controls the "blur" while watching videos.

3. Viewing Angle - Rated in degrees Top-Bottom and Left to Right. Higher numbers are better. If your like me, I'm not always PERFECTLY at a RIGHT (90D) angle to my monitor. Look for 120-170D Degrees. Mine (now considered a cheapie)is rated at 170D.

4. Contrast - higher number is better. Mine is rated at 600. Over 500 ought to be good.

5. Brightness - higher number is better. Not many monitors have this measured or published. There is now a VESA display measurement standard, however I've yet to see it included.

6. Inputs - For your computer look for DVI (digital) and for video (hook to your TV top DVD or other), look for HDMI or RGBS (analog) inputs. A DVI input is a MUST HAVE for getting a NOISE FREE PURELY DIGITAL computer display.



I'll take my 19" 1280x1024 LCD over any analog monitor anyday.

Post 69 of 135

Recording studio

by Gracestone - 12/16/05 8:53 AM In reply to: 12/16/05 by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Thanks so much for the in depth layout.
I had not thought of switching before but this info hits aon a few issues I have had and makes me think.

All of your thoughts are well and good but I have an added question.

I have a recording studio.
Do you or anyone else in here have an familiarity of how LCD monitors effect audio? I see how the audio might effect screens and I have two just inside each speaker to my left and right with a hole in the middle for a window to the tracking room.

The CRTs I have noticed will effect sound in a certain way if not placed right but I need room and also have a slight glare issue so some of what you menioned seems to have some value to me. IF it is less likely to add audio issues then I think I might be sold on an upgrade in monitors, maybe one at a time. In addition, do LCDs require a different card or just th

Post 70 of 135

LCD buying,

by desiengineer06 - 12/16/05 9:33 AM In reply to: 12/16/05 by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Its very important to choose the right type of LCD panel. They all have their advantages and disadvantages. Briefly

TN (most popular in 17 and 19 inch screens)
cheapest, reasonably fast, poor color (dithered colors), horrible viewing angles and poor contrast ratio. Bad for serious work, ok for games and video

MVA (mostly 19'')
good colors, good viewing angles and good contrast ratio, BAAAD for speeed. idead for actually gettign some work done.

S-IPS (usually 20'' +)
BADD contrast ratio, but adequate. overall the best but is a bit pricey.

Post 71 of 135

More hidden costs of CRT monitors.

by baldwinl - 12/16/05 9:48 AM In reply to: 12/16/05 by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Excellent post. While CRTs may have an initial cost advantage over CRTs, they have 3 hidden costs:

1)as noted, energy consumption is much higher (3-6x higher) and over the life of the monitor this can be more significant than the cost savings.

2) as noted, the lifetime is much less, and so the cost per hour on is much higher (as a percentage of initial purchase price and typically in absolute terms as well).

3) Disposal fee. CRTs, because of very high lead content in the glass, are hazardous waste. In most municipalities, you cannot just put them out with the trash. You have to take them to a hazardous waste facility and PAY to get rid of them. The last time I did this (3 years ago) the cost was on a sliding scale by screen size and I paid $30 to dump a 17'' monitor. I think a 20'' monitor was twice that.

These are all definite costs. The next 2 vary by usage.

4)Special furniture: You need a deep, sturdy desk to hold a big CRT whereas a thin light LCD could be set on an existing ''normal'' desk or "built in" or hung on the wall. Plus the big desk and monitor will take up more floor space. This may not be such a big deal in, say, Alabama as compared to, say, Mahattan.

5)Shipping: If you move, it will cost more to pack and ship the big CRT based on both volume and weight.

Post 72 of 135

Lifetime of CRTs is less than LCDs?

by nazcalito - 12/16/05 11:44 AM In reply to: More hidden costs of CRT monitors. by baldwinl

All of the CRTs I have had have lasted for years, and the lifetime has gotten better with the newer models. I see lots of LCD monitors for sale on Ebay with nonfunctioning areas, power supply problems, and so on, and they don't seem to be that old. Maybe you mean theoretical lifetime if they are made right.

Post 73 of 135

Yup

by comicfan - 12/16/05 11:51 AM In reply to: More hidden costs of CRT monitors. by baldwinl

Exactly, and this is the reason I have about 5 old monitors in my garage, currently I don't have the 150.00 to get rid of them. I could put 2.00 on them at a rummage sale and say "AS IS" lol. I feel we as a consumer are getting kicked in the rear for what companies make though. I have often asked why the companies that make the monitors don't have a disposal plan. So instead we get the fee for it. I do have a sledge hammer and safety glasses, which could make tiny pieces out of a monitor.(kidding) ;)
Take care , Paul

Post 74 of 135

cost of storage?

by baldwinl - 12/16/05 1:27 PM In reply to: Yup by comicfan

as a reforming pack-rat (just like a reformed alcoholic, I will always be a reforming pack-rat) what is the value, in $, of your garage space? If you had no garage and had to store your broken monitors in mini-storage, what would that cost? And while I am trying to make you feel better ; ) - I have only seen CRT dumping fees go up, never down.......

We do have a computer renaissance here that refuribishes and resells used computer equipment but they only want working monitors.

Hey - I have personally fixed old retired monitors so that I could recylcle them instead of pay to dump them.

Post 75 of 135

CRT vs LCD

by macdadi - 12/16/05 9:55 AM In reply to: 12/16/05 by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Consumer Reports' June 2005 articles on computer monitors provided the information George needed in a succinct, less wordy manner than the person CNET chose.

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