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Community Newsletter: Q&A: 12/16/05
- 12/15/05 6:19 PM
LCD Vs CRT
by markjames17 - 12/16/05 10:00 AM In reply to: LCD v.s. CRT by solacemarinewell i got a 19inch lcd monitor and i am well pleased and it can make me room and my computer desk alot more room to put me keyboard at the front of me. long time ago before i had this lcd monitor, i have a 15 inch CRT and it was so big i had troubles with it by getting flickering and it effected my eyes so bad i had to wear glasses, so i ended up buying a new monitor so i wondered what to go for, should i get a CRT that might had same problem or i should get a lcd that has better clear colorful screen and doesnt had reflections, well i got a better cheaper price online by going to www.pricerunner.co.uk or www.kelkoo.com so if anybody who wants a better monitor. go for LCD and look out for special offers,
You said something...
by comicfan - 12/16/05 11:12 AM In reply to: LCD Vs CRT by markjames17very interresting, you ended up needing glasses. I also had perfect vision until being on the pc too much. My eye doctor narrowed it down to the CRT monitor. Our eyes have to see differently when looking at a monitor compared to real objects. I went through a streak where my pc was down for a month and a half or so. My eyes were getting better after not being at the monitor. This checked out with an eye exam. Now I take a couple of days on the pc and a couple of days off. The LCDs I have been on, don't bother me so much but still makes a person's eyes trained to see differently. Still, I sit back a bit further now, and don't view the pc in the dark, since this puts even more strain on your eyes.
Take care , Paul
SPEED? FOR GAMES?? WHY THAT Jerry R.??
by mackspane - 12/16/05 3:37 PM In reply to: Other recommendations by our members by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
In playing a wide variety of turn based games, why in the world do I care about response time or speed? The HPf2304 at 1920x1200 I have is driven by a Falcon Northwest Mach V with a 2 Gigs of RAM. All I do is play games... lessee, "The Movies", "Sim Golf", "Pirates", "Risk 2", "Majesty" and I could go on for a long time... heck, even throw in WOW, and COH/COV, Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, etc... and I haven't seen the least bit of ghosting on my HP. Maybe it's because I go high end when I buy things (23"LCD, F-NW MACH V), but I'd put the Hewlett Packard f2304 against ANY monitor for gaming--even for shooters, and with it, you will not get the least bit of ghosting. I truly am a dedicated gamer, but once I saw the HPs picture, I knew the days of the CRT were over for me. Don't bash all LCDs until you try them all. I'd bet if you saw the HP, you might start to understand that even without a perfect "black", it's the clearest, cleanest, most dynamic color monitor available for gaming. It's even set up for HDTV.
ART S.
LCD Vs CRT
by ramchandrans - 12/16/05 2:17 AM In reply to: 12/16/05 by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I however feel the technology of LCD for angular viewing is still not ijmproved and there is a huge scope of improvemet in that area.
Graphic designers who want WYSIWYG (What you see is what you get) would still prefer CRT as its more accurate from any angle to the actual printout of a graphic image and its color, allowing them to adjust the correct color, brightness, gamma and contrast.
Rgds,
Ramchandran
I'm not sure, yet.
by 70441.2227 - 12/16/05 2:31 AM In reply to: 12/16/05 by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Hi,
It seems all the real benefits are in the future. Right now I have a 20" CRT monitor that I couldn't buy as a LCD monitor and get the same quality or features. Plus, the price would be outrageous. Until the price comes down and the features and quality go up, I don't see any way I'm going to switch.
Sorry!
CRT for another reason
by Pebkac - 12/16/05 4:02 AM In reply to: I'm not sure, yet. by 70441.2227OK lets says it is for home use, with kids around.
CRT will take more abuse (something hittig screen) than the LCD.
Furthermore, the LCD screen becomes damaged, you end up with a BLACK row going across the screen. With a CRT you will not notice unless you lose one of the GUNS entirely.
CRT, Hands Down
by markdoiron - 12/16/05 3:54 AM In reply to: 12/16/05 by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
crt for me, hands down. all the "advantages" of the lcd (weight, power consumption, susceptibility to emi, etc) do not outweigh the fact that the crt **far** outperforms the lcd in one area: the lcd image can't touch the image on a crt. period. now, if the quality of the image isn't important to you, go with an lcd. but, if you play games, watch dvd's, do photo viewing/editing, design graphics, etc, there's no question that a crt will provide the more pleasing image.
mark d.
depends on how much you want to spend
by SammyF70 - 12/16/05 6:56 AM In reply to: CRT, Hands Down by markdoironI'm currently using a 19'' Iiyama CRT (8 years old!) and a Philips 17'' LCD.
The CRT has definitely a better looking picture than LCD. The colors and resolution is much better on the CRT. Try doing a grayscale and look at it on an LCD and a CRT and you'll understand what I mean.
Btw. CRTs can easily run most resolution at 100hz and above. You just need to change the refresh rate yourself. My guess is that most people who are in awe of LCDs because they suddenly don't have strained eyes used to have the refresh rate set at 75 or even (gasp) 60hz on their old CRTs.
The Pros for the LCD : doesn't use much space, has clearer, better defined pixels, uses less energy.
That said, I'm sure that Paul is right that there are LCDs out there who are as good as any CRTs ... what he fails to mention is that the price tag is accordingly high. Your generic Shopping mall LCD screen can't compete in terms of refresh, colour or resolution with cheaper CRTs.
So if you have the funds or do nothing besides surfing the net and writing text, go for a really good LCD, otherwise I'd advise to stick with a 19'' CRT.
(another solution is to do as I do : use the capacity of most modern grafic adapters to have dual screens, and have one of each kind of monitor)
bbye,
SammyF
not necesarily true..
by MacGarnicle - 12/16/05 7:13 AM In reply to: CRT, Hands Down by markdoironIf you use a DVI cable to hook up your computer to your LCD screen, it basically compensates for any difference there might have been..
I used to think the same way, but no more
by metman4u - 12/16/05 8:18 AM In reply to: CRT, Hands Down by markdoironI previously had two (networked) monitors, a Dell 21" and Dell 20"(of course the true screen size was 1" less on both). Both text and graphics were crisp and clear and gaming action was very good. Then I replaced the 20" CRT with a 20" LCD by Viewsonic (VP201b). All I can say is I will never go back to a CRT, ever! I still have the Dell 21" and the 20" LCD just clearly outperforms it on both text and graphics and the DVI signal output in gaming is excellent! I do a lot of photographic work with the LCD as well as play demanding games (Battlefield II) with it - it is just excellent! The benifits of a high end LCD monitor over a high end CRT monitor far and away justify the extra cost and make it the best choice now and for the future.
I don't agree that CRTs give much better image quaility now
by TomG - 12/17/05 3:32 AM In reply to: CRT, Hands Down by markdoironWhile it is true that CRTs used to be better than LCDs, and there are still advantages in the resolution you can run them at, I do NOT agree that LCDs are no good if you take image quality seriously.
As a photographer, I take it very seriously indeed, and am delighted with my 19" Eizo L767 LCD. It gives excellent contrast, vibrant and accurate colours (fully adjustable, and comes with its own profile), and is far sharper than the Iiyama CRT I used to have. I also do not have to worry about CRT colour shift that happens with time.
It also gives me no eye strain whatsover, even working on it all day, which was always a problem on CRT, even at 85MHz. It only has a refresh rate of 25ms, but for what I use it for, who cares? Even movies are fine on it.
The only downside is the cost of course- good LCDs are not cheap (the current equivalent model is around £400), but I do not have the space for a 21" CRT, so this was not an option.
Tom
www.lightpainter.co.uk
Agreed!
by malafama212 - 12/18/05 1:38 PM In reply to: CRT, Hands Down by markdoironI would have to agree. If you do not plan on ever watching any video (not nec. only a movie but any type of video clips), view pictures and play games, then go for an LCD, otherwise even the most expensive LCD can't hold a candle to a good CRT.
The person who made the original post explained the differences very well, but go into any electronics store and compare for yourself, you will note the difference. In order to get a ''good'' lcd that will closely match a crt, one must be willing to spend upwards of $900.00 from what I've seen so far. Just my .02
Looking at LCDs
by kayo38 - 12/18/05 2:31 PM In reply to: Agreed! by malafama212I have to put in my 2 cents here - unless you are going to use color management from a program such as Photoshop or Photoshop elements which allows a quick and dirty approach to monitor calibration, No LCD monitor is going to look good when you hook it up to the computer and turn it on. Therefore, what you see on display in the store is enough to convince you that LCD monitors are very poor in comparison to CRTs. However, as I mentioned, I invested in Spyder2 to calibrate my monitor and also an older CRT and side by side, there is absolutely no difference I can tell between the color on the 2 displays - something rather critical for those of us who work in digital imaging. I'd suggest you examine the issue of monitor calibration before deciding LCDs are not up to snuff...
LCDs upset my bad eyesight
by richard-s - 12/16/05 4:26 AM In reply to: 12/16/05 by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I have poor eyesight so need to use large fonts and icons. So far, large VDUs have worked much better for me than LCDs.
A 19 or 21 inch VDU can easily be set for a 1024 x 768 (or 800 x 600) resolution. This automatically enlarges everything on the screen. "Naturally flat" VDUs with anti-reflection coating give minimum reflected glare. 85Hz refresh rate stops all screen flicker.
Although the visible screen of a 17 inch LCD is only slightly smaller than that of a 19 inch CRT, I've had much worse problems with the LCDs. Admittedly, I've not used DVI connected LCDs. Problems have included:
1. Optimum LCD resolution of 1280 x 1024 makes everything smaller - in spite of all attempts with Windows XP's various settings. Using a "non-optimal" resolution gives a poor quality display.
2. Something about the LCD displays "upsets" my eyes - I don't know what, and my eye specialists can't tell me, but it really happens. I guess that it may be the thinner text on hi-res LCDs.
Good quality CRTs are becoming rare. Lets hope that newer LCDs soon overcome these problems.
vision problems plus lcd eguals no go
by thedragonmaster - 12/16/05 5:51 AM In reply to: LCDs upset my bad eyesight by richard-spersonaly i am legaly blind with a visual acuaty of 20/400 in both eyes, and NEED to be able to adjust the resolution on monitors, lcd's make that practicly impossible. my experiance with lcds are they are quight dificult to "focus" on with my particulare vision ailment, and im allmost certain its that backlight! OR the way there viewd, in either case ill be useing crt's untill lcd's match the video of a crt that includes the lighting!
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