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Digital music: is copying a radio stream illegal?
Not so. There is a specific law, The Audio Home Recording
by Kiddpeat - 10/21/05 8:51 AM In reply to: Check the legal sources by foureyesAct, which gives the consumer the right to record broadcast music for his own use. He/she cannot, of course, make copies for someone else.
One easy and certain way to find out...
by - 10/9/05 9:20 AM In reply to: is copying a radio stream illegal? by joslEmail the broadcaster and ask them if you have permission to copy the stream for personal use.
Depending on what country you live in, the law may or may not supersede what the owner of the copyright says, but the copyright holder him/her/itself is the best place to start asking.
Compare with Printed Works
by josl - 10/11/05 2:58 PM In reply to: is copying a radio stream illegal? by joslI have just spent 4 days chasing crabs on dutch beaches - and was very impressed to read the comments that forum colleagues had provided on the topic. I would like to to throw a further log on this fire. What is the difference between copying broadcast material, whether to enjoy again or allow someone else to listen to or watch and buying a book, reading it and then lending or giving it to someone else (usually if I lend it I dont see it again anyway).
You can't lend or give the broadcast in its original form
by Kiddpeat - 10/11/05 8:08 PM In reply to: Compare with Printed Works by joslas you do with a book. You have to make a copy. If you copied a book and gave it away, you could be sued for copyright violations. It's the same thing.
If you purchased a CD that contained the broadcast material, you could give that away just like the book.
Is copying a radio stream illegal?
by mattynet1 - 10/21/05 4:49 AM In reply to: is copying a radio stream illegal? by joslTo my understanding copying is and isn't illegal. This depends on whether the copying is of information or a product. If it is a product it is protected under intellectual property agreement while information is differenet in that it is free speech. This is the difference of information being used for business purposes such as to make money for example versus information being used to communicate which is not a product. So the answer in my opinion is that information is really in the interpretation. The camps remain divided on this issue because business people and government who have motive do not wish to define what is a product and what is free speech legally.
How's it done?
by Hillabrant - 10/21/05 8:08 AM In reply to: is copying a radio stream illegal? by joslI connect to local ststion via the Internet and Windows Media Player--how does one record the stream?
re: how is it done
by seaside - 10/21/05 9:18 AM In reply to: How's it done? by HillabrantAs far as I know, ''windows media player'' can only play.
But there are other tools that can reach the same stations as windows media player (i think) and which also can record the stream.
possibly a search at download.com for: stream record
could make it clearer.
How to record music...
by Airmon - 10/21/05 11:28 AM In reply to: How's it done? by HillabrantI've manually recorded streams by starting the program in one player ( for instance, Windows Media Player or Winamp ) and then opening another program that'll record.
If you want to automate the process, here's a link to some information on automated recoreders...
http://www.theshiftedlibrarian.com/2003/09/01.html#a4511
I use replay radio, and I like it a lot.
As an alternative, you might check to see if your station has a podcast you can download. I used to listen to Air America with Replay radio, but now I just download the podcast because there aren't any of the commercials that I got with the recorded stream.
Recording Program
by drbrown - 11/1/05 5:03 AM In reply to: How to record music... by AirmonWhat program are you suggesting when you say just open a program that will record? Is it something that would normally ship with windows or is it something that you have purchased?
Recording programs
by Hillabrant - 11/1/05 7:53 AM In reply to: Recording Program by drbrownAirmon above has the answer.
Recording-Replay Radio
by Hillabrant - 11/1/05 7:51 AM In reply to: How to record music... by AirmonLooks great! Thanks for the info.
Well I think...
by hasilvalens - 10/21/05 10:51 AM In reply to: is copying a radio stream illegal? by josl...it's just like when you watch an NFL or NBA game on TV. There's always that little commercial that says "Cannot be rebroadcasted without expressed written consent" yadda, yadda, yadda. For the most part, internet radio broadcasts are free and whether they're allowed/licensed to broadcasts music in the first place is anybodys guess. I think so long as you're not out there rebroadcasting the exact same stuff AND making money in the process, you'd be ok.
Good question - My opinion as a songwriter & music promoter
by indiecds - 10/21/05 6:25 PM In reply to: is copying a radio stream illegal? by joslDon't quite know what the law says. Before the internet and before high speed internet - forget it the quality wasn't there whether it was a dial-up connection or FM radio, to record the broadcast just wasn't going to give you the quality recording that you would get if you went out and bought the CD...(for those reasons, I don't think the industry was too concerned) but now with high speed internet and software that will record off your soundcard it's not that difficult to get a really great sounding recording from streaming music on the web...
It has always been fair use to record TV using a VCR and now (DVR) recorders with hard drives, some of which have built in DVD recorders. Of couse that fair use is only for your own use and not to sell or distribute...
But let's face it, when you record music from the web, the songwriter is not getting paid any royalties for their song... not really fair to them... so whether it's technically legal or not somehow it just doesn't seem kosher that the 8.5¢ per song royalty isn't being paid (9.1¢ beginning Jan 1, 2006). On the other hand sometimes an artist authorizies his music to be given away for free. In fact in most cases today, music that is streamed on the web has been authorized by somebody who has the right to give it away. They give it away in the hopes that you will like the artist and will seek out and pay for additional music from the same artist. (In fact many times they get paid for these streams but only in tenths of a cent.) After all how is an artist to ever sell his music if first no one ever hears the music to know if they want to buy it or not?
So, I would say that in most cases the music has been authorized for streaming and it is expected that some folks will record it in real time while streaming it. To be fair, I would say, that if you like something enough to record it and it is from an artist you haven't heard before at least search the web to find more of their music. That's why they are letting you listen (and record) for free.... so use your favorite search engine or digital music service or try sites like Amazon.com or CDBaby.com and see what other music is available from that artist. If you do that, then sure go ahead and record whatever you want with a clean conscience.
Copying is a legitimate activity for the consumer under
by Kiddpeat - 10/21/05 7:41 PM In reply to: Good question - My opinion as a songwriter & music promoter by indiecdscurrent federal law. That is, of course, as long as the consumer keeps it only for his own use.
While I sympathize with the artist's objections to this, I think it is a long needed leveling of the playing field. In the past, the consumer was forced to buy many songs that were not wanted simply to obtain the few that were wanted. The artists were, thus, grossly overpaid by charging for ten items while the consumer received only one. Copying allows the consumer to recover some of those funds by capturing only the music which is desired.
iTunes, and the other download services, were a hopeful development. It looked like you could buy just the music you wanted for a reasonable price. I bought at least a dozen songs from iTunes, and then discovered a few things. First, the recording lack full fidelity. They are compressed versions of the music. Thus, they are not delivering what is implicitly promised. Second, if the computer's hard drive crashes, you are SOL if you have not taken the step of burning the music to CD. However, copying to a CD is limited by the DRM systems that the download services impose. Thus, a promising start turns out to be another consumer rip off.
If Hollywood ever gets its act together, maybe the consumer will get an honest product and the artist will be fairly paid. In the meantime, don't blame the consumer for trying to get what he's really wanted all along at a fair price.
as a songwiter I say...
by cravinbob - 10/21/05 8:40 PM In reply to: Good question - My opinion as a songwriter & music promoter by indiecdsas a songwiter who receives no royalty checks (but I am good) I say recording anything for personal use is okay. Recording a CD etc you purchased for someone else is kinda "piracy", selling it is real piracy. I have recorded stuff and have given it to friends but these friends were unlikely to have purchased it anyway. Perhaps they will like it and buy more from the artist if they like it. It is advertising to share.
Songwiters are the lowest on the totem pole of the music biz but without them the biz would not exist. I put my stuff on the 'Net for free (bobwyman dot com )and don't care about money unless someone cashes in big with my tunes then I will want a cut.
Music execs are thieves or at least most are. Treat any song though as art and a treasure. Respect it. Doesn't that feel right?
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