Computer newbies: Correct way to turn computer off
And for every example used to prove your case
by glb613 - 5/1/05 5:43 AM In reply to: Hard resetting by KX36there are as many for the opposite opinion. Just like with so many other debates, I doubt anyone is going to change what they think or do because of what is posted as "the right way to do it".
This is not about opinion it is about technical facts.
by jv - 5/1/05 9:52 AM In reply to: And for every example used to prove your case by glb613While it's true that each person needs to make their own decisions about how to manaage their PC it is still critical that one has correct and complete technical information.
Understanding how and why a PC works can save much trouble and frustration and make the xperience much less in the way of "busy work".
My friend changes the oil in his car once every two weeks because a mechanic told him that because he was driving so much he may need tochange oil more frequently. He didn't understand completely and assumed that the more often he changed oil the longer the engine would last.
While this is true it is only true to some reasonable point. You need to believe the manufacturers documentation which states "every 3000 miles or 6 Months" with a disclaimer to change at 2000 miles in extremel hot climates - like the Sahara desert.
We have logged the isue from every possible angle. I still suggest that each use read the documentation that comes with their PC and read the documentation that comes with their OS. From their you can make an informed decision about how to manage you PC in a way that meets you needs and is comfortable for you .
Proof vs. Personal Experience
by mpmacal - 5/1/05 9:25 AM In reply to: Hard resetting by KX36Consider all of the variables in operating a computer: Processor type, memory type and quantity, file system type, OS, a myriad of software titles with varying compliance with the OS, power supply, network, firewall, router, VPN software, startup scripts,(most likely the cause of the problem here), AGP vs. PCI grahics... and I could go on.
Until you can present a root cause for the failure, the only thing you can prove, is that the computer in the school that you go to, does "this" when I do "that". The statement cannot apply to any other computer because you have yet to define the failure mode.
As for the right way to turn off a computer? All computers are safe to power down. The more robust the procedure is, or another way of saying it... the less you depend on the safty mechanisms built into the OS and file system, the less likely you are to experience a problem.
* Shut all programs.
* close all open windows
* power down through the OS, (start menu for Windows).
If you insist on hitting the power button, or pulling the plug, because the computer "should" work that way, knock yourself out.
Turning Off My Computer
by Daviddude - 5/1/05 10:57 PM In reply to: Proof vs. Personal Experience by mpmacalI just found out through this forum that when I press the power button on my Insignia D400a, it is linked to the Windows XP system somehow, but the screen displays "logging off windows" then "saving settings" then "shutting down windows", Just as if I had hit the task bar start button and chose log off or turn off computer. I read it here, crossed my fingers and tried it on my machine, and I was amazed that it would do that!
disconnecting from the internet
by bunnnie - 5/7/05 2:58 AM In reply to: Correct way to turn computer off by golden1There's probably a way to shut down without logging off first but it's most likely not good for your operating system. If you are signed on, log off. Clear your cache if you have a few minutes, and shut down windows.
Treat your machine nicely and you'll have fewer problems.
Shutdown does it all
by jv - 5/7/05 9:21 AM In reply to: disconnecting from the internet by bunnnieThe shutdown command or menu selection does all of those thing for you automatically and in the correct order.
Clear cache? Memory cache gets cleared when the power goes off. ARP cache gets cleared every time the system is started. Disk cache is cleared on shutdown and reapplied after a power failure.
Why do you buy a car and tow it to the store using a horse? Take a chnace and drive the car. Let the horse have a vacation.
Almost everything
by mpmacal - 5/8/05 7:54 PM In reply to: Shutdown does it all by jvYou are safe with most Windows programs... and yes, cache.
You can depend on Windows to close database file systems, (forget Access, there's MySQL and others), or non-compliant software.
The problem is, you only need one guy not to play nice, to screw up a file system. This is not an issue of what is possible to get away with. It should be looked at as, what is the optimum method. (especially if you are a newbie, who is not sure why your financial program cannot load your data file - and haven't a clue how to recover or restore)
Close all programs, then use the shutdown command on the start menu. Not because you have to. Because it presents the lowest risk.
Almost Everthing
by taboma. - 6/9/05 9:27 PM In reply to: Almost everything by mpmacalSorry this is a month-old post. Enjoyed reading the posts, I was on vacation in Turkey last month and never went back to the newbees forum 'til tonight. Your post and others are right-on. Just want to add that it is the best way for Macintosh also. ALWAYS! Just look at the start-up warnings that pop up from time to time.
Thanks, Kevin
I hibernate
by atltattoo - 10/14/05 5:49 AM In reply to: Almost Everthing by taboma.I have my laptop set so when I close the lid it goes to hibernate. I have timed booting from cold dead, and from standby, and from hibernate. I get back up and running faster from hibernate than from the others. I figure they are all safe, or they wouldn't be options. (No, I didn't even *try* timing restart after yanking the plug out of the wall.)
On my main computer, I just leave it running, and XP does things while I'm not there. I like to be able to use my computer at any instant, not wait for a boot when I just wanted to see a quick weather satellite, or ask the box a trivia question or check my email.
clsonig computer..why shut down at all?
by mikehunt - 10/14/05 7:30 AM In reply to: I hibernate by atltattooi agree about laptops ...just close the lid and hibernate , with desktop comps why close at all , i only reboot when necessary, but if you must shut down completley its not brain surgery..close anything thats open / save the things you need, and open task manager and go to "shut down" wow , hard aint it?
Gratouitous Thank You for Clarity
by cscoder - 10/14/05 9:47 AM In reply to: Almost everything by mpmacalI have nothing to add except it's nice to see someone give a simple, accurate answer.
Technically correct, or pragmatically correct?
by bradleyland - 10/14/05 7:12 AM In reply to: Correct way to turn computer off by golden1There are two sides to the answer: the technical side, and the practical side.
As mentioned, Windows XP specifies an internal application messaging system that is triggered when the computer executes the shutdown routine. Open a couple of Word documents, make some changes, then click start, shut down. You'll notice that you are promted to save your changes. This is the internal shutdown messaging system at work.
The problem is that you are not guaranteed that all applications will handle the shutdown message in the same fashion. Some applications may default to discard changes and shut down. Also, if you do not respond to the ''Save? Yes || No'' dialog in a timely manner, Windows will assume that the application has quit responding and will display the ''Program not responding. End Now || Cancel'' dialog. This can damage your documents because the application will end while the file is still open.
From a practical standpoint, it is much better to close your active applications before initiating the shutdown. This allows you to decide what you'd like to do with your open documents while not on a timer.
If you do choose to shutdown your computer with all your documents open, rest assured that this behavior is ok. You may not realize it, but there are a lot of processes (applications) running on your computer in the backgroud, even when you've closed all your windows. These applications are shutdown by the operating system in a specific order and certain clean up tasks are performed.
Correct way to turn your computer off
by chetlynch - 10/14/05 7:56 AM In reply to: Correct way to turn computer off by golden1In my experience (and after much research) there does not seem to be a straightforward answer with regard to turning off your pc. Some user's leave their pc on continually. Personally, I never turn off my internet service (broadband). A dial-up connection should be disconnected before turning off your pc. It is very important that you close out any applications or tasks that you had been working on, as well as saving your work before you turn off your pc. Start-up programs such as your anti-virus, firewall protection, or ad-aware programs do not need any attention during this process. DO NOT turn off your pc via the off button located on the cpu case (or pc tower), use the turn-off method via your desktop.
Correct Way To Turn Computer Off???
by ladytrickster - 10/14/05 10:13 AM In reply to: Correct way to turn computer off by golden1Hi~ This may be off-topic, but I don't think so. I know the correct way(s) to turn off my computer - But - Sometimes I get Really Stuck, the system "hangs" completely, CTRL-ALT-Deelte doesn't even work, or Task Manager, not even the CPU Power button!!! So, sometimes (rarely) I am forced to UNPLUG the whole thing from the wall!!! I usually save as I go along, but if I'm in the middle of something like a website or e-mail, and the sytem freezes - I have to UnPlug it! What are the consequences and/or reasons for having to do this? HELP!!! Thanks -ginni aka ladytrickster ginnirosa@msn.com
RIGHT WAY TO TURN OFF COMPUTER
by cnetmmf - 10/14/05 11:06 AM In reply to: Correct way to turn computer off by golden1Is this a trick question?
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