Spyware, viruses, & security : Has anyone tried. . .
counter intelligence
by golowenow - 2/5/05 9:11 AM In reply to: intelligence? by MichaelFThen you obviously do not use AIM or Kazaa or other such programs that use spyware. Even spybot and ad-aware will delete key files required by them to run if you do not set them to be ignored. Try it. Install the free Kazaa then run your spybot and/or adaware and go ahead....hehe...remove everything it finds. You will find that Kazaa will not run and you will have to reinstall it. Sooooo....spybot AND ad-aware are not "intelligent" enough either. Or...was this just an "unintelligent" comment?
unintelligent
by MichaelF - 2/5/05 6:39 PM In reply to: counter intelligence by golowenowKazaa does install spyware and if you want to get rid of spyware then don't use kazaa. Frankly why are you using Kazaa if you don't like spyware? You might as well uninstall all your antispyware software save resources and put up with it. I don't use kazaa for this reason I do use kazaalite as it has the spyware disabled. Whenever I install free software I run my spyware checkers before and after to see if it installed spyware, if it did then I get rid of the spyware and uninstall the software as I do not want that type of software on my system.
When I ran Microsoft Antispyware it picked up kazaalite as spyware as it could not tell the difference between the two, adaware and spybot can. That tells me they have some finetuning to do. I have not used Aim but if it installs spyware don't use it. I am a computer consultant and half of my current load is cleaning up peoples computers that have become unusable because of spyware and adware. I find that the biggest reason for recurrent problems are due to people unwilling to give up spyware laden free software and persistently reinstalling the software and its accompanying spyware. Make the choice people.
Michael
could use some help
by Psyched - 6/8/05 6:18 PM In reply to: unintelligent by MichaelFOk, well I came here looking for answers.
I am by no means a computer wiz, I am but a noob in fact.
I had hoped that I could find a way to get my computer back on line after using ms spyware program.
I guess I am one of those whom some of you are scolding for not reading and "teaching" the program properly. I've been useing spybot and adaware for years without a problem. I use ms spyware program once and suddenly can not access the internet on that computer anymore.
Is there a way to undo what has been done (someone earlier I believe asked this question and seems to have been ignored). I use windows xp home. I've tried system restore and it did not work.
Your help, more than your criticism on what a noob I am ..... lol ..... would be greatly appreciated.
The reason that the previous
by roddy32
- 6/8/05 6:32 PM
In reply to: could use some help by Psyched
question had been ignored is because this thread is a few months old and huge so most of the regulars don't have the time to read the old ones. For future reference, you should always start your own thread. To answer your question. If what you do was "Remove" a threat from your computer with MSAS, it can not be recovered. If you quarantined it, you may be able to recover it. This is a copy and paste from the help file on MSAS. It has a lot of good info in it.
" Remove. Selecting this action permanently removes the threat from your computer."
A possible fix?
by Psyched - 6/9/05 7:02 AM In reply to: The reason that the previous by roddy32
Thank you for your reply. Yes I probably should have started a new thread but to be honest with ya (and again, my noobness is visible for all to see ..... lol) I just stumbled here via google in the process of trying to find a fix to the problem.
So anyway ....... if anyone else stumbles here as I did, I think I found a fix:
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/tutorial98.html#sporder
''Important information about missing sporder.dll and not being able to connect to the Internet.
There have been reported cases of losing Internet access and getting errors about a missing Sporder.dll after running Microsoft AntiSpyware and cleaning certain infections. If you run into this problem you should download the following program.''
This article contains three fixes you can download. I have downloaded them to a floppy (shhh .... yes, people do still use floppies) and will attempt the fixes then report the results here .....just in case any should need them. I would like to think that I and/or this board provided some useful help to some other noob out there like me.
Thanks again for your kind reply.
(NT) Thanks for your feedback Psyched
by roddy32 - 6/9/05 12:38 PM
In reply to: A possible fix? by Psyched
I use it and Ilike it. Found one multi-user "glitch" in it.
by Muad Dib - 2/6/05 8:57 AM In reply to: This is because you did not read what it found before remove by golowenowI am pleased with MS Antispyware, it found some things Spybot, Adaware and Ewido missed. An I like its interface. DO NOT blindly remove everything it finds. Like a good firewall, it must be "trained" as to what is acceptable and what is not.
I found one glitch. In a multi-user account, XP Pro - SP2 installation when User1 (administrator group) logs off and User2 (limited user) logs in it reports several "security alerts". Things like the IE home page being changed and the location of the Favorites folder. Despite clicking "Yes allow this change" and "Remember this setting" (or similar syntax) it does not seem to "remember".
But overall - an excellent Beta version.
Used it for a month now no problem.
by golowenow - 2/4/05 1:16 PM In reply to: Has anyone tried. . . by CoryphaeusInstalled it on my Dell Dimension 8250 and on two Dell 2400 series. All running XP SP2. ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEMS. Had Spybot AND Ad-aware goin. BOTH missed on several key spyware programs. MS Anti spyware Beta found them and removed them totally. I have since uninstalled spybot and ad-aware. THIS baby runs a check whenever you want it to. Since getting it I have NOOOOO spyware on my PC. Runs an update just like windows update service. Does NOT allow NOTHING in without your consent. Those lousy rotten no good websites that try to force you to download their spyware crap are gonna be hurtin. RECOMMEND the new beta over ALL other anti-spyware programs. Just think of this...who better to use than MS for an MS operating system. I just hope MS will provide this service free of charge at LEAST to all Windows users.
uninstall adaware?
by MichaelF - 2/4/05 6:51 PM In reply to: Used it for a month now no problem. by golowenowHi golowenow
I would reinstall adaware and spybot as no antispywar program detects all spyware. MS one (aka giant) detects about 64% according to a study at spywarewarrior (I think) which makes it one of the most thorough but you need to run a couple of others periodically as spyware mutates and grows to fast for any one product to keep up.
Michael
Promotional gimmicks
by golowenow - 2/5/05 9:30 AM In reply to: uninstall adaware? by MichaelFStatistical studies by competing products means absolutely nothing. MS anti-spyware is developed for the latest windows OS and yes may not work as well on your apple Mac ect;. But in windows XP which STILL is the dominant OS it is perfected beyond ANY other Spy detection program. It is thus BECAUSE only MS knows the source of its OS THUS detecting ANYTHING that alters it and/or is foreign to it. Spybot and adaware will NEVER be able to do this. I ran them both for several weeks in conjunction with the MS program. Tried both ways. Ran Spybot AND adaware first then MS and it found stuff they did not. Then later after browsing to a few KEY nasty spyware installing sights on the web, did the reverse. Ran MS first then spybot and adaware...after MS was done...hehe... Spybot and adaware found NOTHING. Did this several times over a couple weeks. RESULTS...always the same. One program CAN do it all. What...do you run 3 antivirus programs? Do you run 3 firewalls? lol.
learn some facts
by MichaelF - 2/5/05 6:55 PM In reply to: Promotional gimmicks by golowenowYou made a lot of assumptions about my post. The studies were not by competing product but independent analysis and I have never used an Apple Mac, as I am a committed Windows user. I only use the firewall in my router and I have one antivirus, but as I keep up with the facts on what is going on in the industry (oh did I mention I am a Microsoft Certified Professional) I do use 3 antispyware tools. I agree Microsofts product is good but they did not develop it they brought it from Giant and even as one of the best will still miss over 30% of spyware.
If you would like to know some facts then you could start here http://windowssecrets.com/050127/ which then links to other well researched resources.
We need to be careful not to put new users under a false sense of security when giving advice.
Michael
You need some serious medication.
by crsteele - 10/14/05 6:47 AM In reply to: Promotional gimmicks by golowenowIf you think you only need one anti spyware program and it is going to be a microsoft program you are delusional.
With over 70,000 types of spyware out there and more coming out everyday, you really think one program will do it? Not a chance!!! What's even funnier you think a microsoft program will protect you.... yeah right.
No you don't need three firewalls But you do need at least 4 antispyware programs if you are on broadband and do a lot of surfing.
The Giant antispyware program that MS swallowed is decent enough but it only gets a fraction of whats out there. Ad-Aware, Spybot Search and Destroy and Spyware blaster will keep things clean once the computer is clean.
www.ewido.com and www.trendmicro.com have good online scans and they are FREE.
Have fun.
has any one tried ms antispyware?
by bruceak77 - 2/4/05 1:37 PM In reply to: Has anyone tried. . . by Coryphaeusi currently use spy sweeper,adaware se,and spyware doctor,i am also using ms antispyware and think its a worthy program to check out,its trial ware,but good for 6 months and runs automatically every day
Yep, from 1st day, and it has found nothing.
by John Robie - 2/4/05 2:11 PM In reply to: Has anyone tried. . . by CoryphaeusNot even a hint of anything, and I surf the WWW & CNet every day on dialup. It seems to be fast, scanning my 484,000 files in about 13 minutes.
I use AdAware first, then SpyBot, then MS AntiSpyware. AdAware will catch a few minor things, SpyBot catches more than a few additional minor things, and MS AntiSpyware has not caught anything after these two.
JR
Its worse than that it never finds anything whenever it runs
by csomervi - 10/14/05 3:37 PM In reply to: Yep, from 1st day, and it has found nothing. by John RobieI have Spybot Search & Destroy, the microsoft beta tool and the AOL-provided anti spyware tool.
Microsoft's and AOL's run on a schedule, and they NEVER find anything.
Spybot runs when I decide to run it, and it ALWAYS finds stuff.
The order in which they run doesn't matter - if Spybot does not clean up first, MSFT and AOL tools STILL don't find anything. Right after they run, Spybot will find and clean stuff.
Spybot's "innoculate" works well too... I often see a popup saying Spybot has detected this web page is trying to put "Avenue A" on your machine - even on msn.com pages! (I wonder if Microsoft's tool "overlooks" Avenue A since ads on msn.com spread it? Hmmm..."
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