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Computer newbies: Newbie's shouldn't jump to Firefox Browser
Re: I TOOK Every Precauction
by stonehkm - 3/2/05 12:18 AM In reply to: I TOOK Every Precauction by cattluvverYou are using Windows Firewall? No comment, but try ZoneAlarm. It blocks traffic both ways!
McAfee? Not my favorite, but it works.
Browser got hijacked? Simple tool: Install "Winpatrol" and it will pop open a window everytime your home page changes whether you change it or a hijacker changes it. It has a simple yes/no question about the new home page. Click on "no" and you will go back to the home page you had. Oh, and I am not assuming everyone is dumb, but sometimes we put our faith in things because that's the way we've always done it. These malware guys keep coming up with new stuff and we have to stay ahead of them. And yes, I still believe IE is the best browser out there:)
dougjp Made A Good Point
by dcmorris - 2/27/05 8:47 AM In reply to: Newbie's shouldn't jump to Firefox Browser by skyaceIn an earlier post dougjp said "Its a SPAM or START AN ARGUMENT Post" and he is probably right but look at what we have learned as a result.
If one reads through this thread carefully one will have a good understanding of the pros and cons of Firefox and IE.
Personally, I have come to a conclusion. After years of using IE I am convinced Firefox will now be my browser of choice. It just has too many advantages to be ignored. However, having listened to cooler heads, I recognize it is not immune to problems and as its popularity increases so will the problems. I will continue to be as vigilant as ever.
DC
oooh that smell
by smallcreep - 2/28/05 1:07 PM In reply to: Newbie's shouldn't jump to Firefox Browser by skyaceI can smell a Microsoft employee a mile away. If someone can't learn how to use the Firefox browser, they should learn. Too mnay people don't know how to use 90% of the features and software on their computers.
Firefox.
by rattlinbones - 3/7/05 11:04 AM In reply to: Newbie's shouldn't jump to Firefox Browser by skyaceWhat a load of old codswhallop, What bugs? I have been into the design and development of computers since 1969. Can even remember when internet explorer came on a disk seperate from Windows 95. I think, that in a relatively short time Firefox has capitalised upon the past and released a great piece of software. You would think that with nearly ten years of being released microsoft could get it right, but then again when DOS was purchased, not written by Bill Gates, wasn't it called DLOS? Dirty Little Operating System. Things havn't changed much. I agree that Windows is not the only game in town but, for newbie's, who by the way are a dying breed, it is still the easiet to load and use. As for other operating systems, as long as we maintain this quasi computer snobbery thing, where those of us who know our way around a machine, sometimes treat with comtempt those mere underlings. I can still remember the days when I asked stupid questions, drove my mentors mad with dumb doings and with one foul press of a button took a $400,000.00 computer down for three days. So, alternatives to Windows will remain languishing on the fringes of greatness if we do not pass on what we know in a calm, understanding manner. Another point, in the first instance who reads the bloody manual, did you?
Newbie's shouldn't jump to Firefox Browser
by akapondscum - 3/18/05 4:48 PM In reply to: Newbie's shouldn't jump to Firefox Browser by skyaceI've been using Firefox for about same length of time ... maybe haven't "roadtested" it as thoroughly but no bugs that i can think of. Might be a very minor shortcoming or two that are so small i can't think of them right now, but my impression is the good easily outweighs the bad. I like the older Mozilla, too, with it's features. By the way, i can understand a few typos when a person is doing a lot of messaging, but some of skyace's comments were hard to decipher and get intended meaning. Like, "If you know what Bugzilla is ..." (??)
scc
We were all newbies at one time
by radelcas - 10/14/05 4:47 AM In reply to: Newbie's shouldn't jump to Firefox Browser by skyaceBeing in Technology for over 10 years, I am tempted always to go the easy route, and recommend what is easier for people; but exploring new programs and, yes, struggling is a good thing for competition and learning.
You Don't Really Give Any Reasons
by kris_m - 10/14/05 5:14 AM In reply to: Newbie's shouldn't jump to Firefox Browser by skyaceYou don't really tell us why newbies shouldn't jump to Firefox. I've been using Firefox for almost a year. I'm not a newbie...I find Firefox to be quite user friendly and the newbies to whom I've recommended Firefox have said the same thing. For those that prefer the look of I.Explorer, you can choose a skin which looks like it.
Although more hackers are finding holes in Firefox's security, I still think it's safer than I.Explorer. I've got less pop-ups - even with all sorts of pop-up blockers, they still come up with I.Explorer - and my scans for viruses/trojans are 99% clean. Whatever spyware I have turned up can inevitably be traced back to a site which required I.Explorer in order to access.
That's probably my biggest gripe with Firefox. There are many sites which require I.Explorer in order to view it or use some of the features. I find that especially with some of the music downloads sites... real.com which of course is a Microsoft company is one as is walmart.com . If you want to purchase & download music from walmart.com you need to be on I.Explorer.
Other than that, I think Firefox is a good browser and as I said earlier, I recommend it to everyone to whom I speak.
Kris
Why shouldn't a newbie use Firefox?
by semajdunn - 10/14/05 5:44 AM In reply to: Newbie's shouldn't jump to Firefox Browser by skyaceI did not see single reason given why a newbie should not use Firefox. If someone does not know what a browser is, they do not have any experience using Explorer either. Why bother learning to use explorer first? I have not had any problems with bugs in Firefox. Why not explain the bugs you hinted at? When I first started using explorer I had to download something on a regular basis to be able to open various sites. That may not be the case anymore but it has never been the case with Firefox. Perhaps that is because I had already downloaded all the plugins for Explorer. I don't know why Firefox is so easy to use but I really can't see how a newbie would have any problems that they would not have using Explorer. Perhaps some of the experts out there in computer land can provide some real examples.
Firefox? Perhaps
by nonnv - 10/14/05 5:51 AM In reply to: Newbie's shouldn't jump to Firefox Browser by skyaceDon’t get me wrong, I use firefox and I like it very much. Their extensions are wonderful. But yes I do agree with you, it may not be (at sometimes) newbie friendly. That’s why I still prefer the Opera browser ( can’t live without those mouse gestures and zoom capabilities).
mr
by mrwrmiller - 10/14/05 6:39 AM In reply to: Firefox? Perhaps by nonnvcan do here in FF also
No Problems here
by JulesLt - 10/14/05 6:13 AM In reply to: Newbie's shouldn't jump to Firefox Browser by skyaceI've always found it more stable than IE on the PCs I have it installed on, and can't say I've encountered any 'bugs' either (and yes, I too have been using and programming computers since the Vic 20).
I also installed it and Thunderbird on a PC I had to setup for someone not very computer literate - I knew they wouldn't want to install any additional programs beyond Word, e-mail and web - and they had no complaints / didn't even notice the difference.
I very much like OmniView on the Mac - it's representation of tabs as miniaturized pages is very clear for new users, although wasteful of screen space if you're not on a 17''+ or widescreen monitor. I think IE7 has something similar - but Firefox has good odds on getting there first.
fire fox is very dangerous
by mikehunt - 10/14/05 7:41 AM In reply to: Newbie's shouldn't jump to Firefox Browser by skyacei was spruiking in another forum about how good firefox and thunderbird were compared to IE and outloook , when this guy joined in and picked firefox to pieces , obviously he hadn't used it, i felt like a change so i installed firefox, i'm not exactly a newbie, but even if i were i doubt i would have encountered any probs with installing and using it,
i have spent most days and nights playing with all the features, it faster then IE and so far bug free, so i don't know why anyone would warn people top stay away from it.
i think maybe they aint as bright as they think they are, and if you have probs with it , its because of your own capabilities not being up to scratch
Have to Disagree With This
by Kinda Geeky - 10/14/05 8:31 AM In reply to: Newbie's shouldn't jump to Firefox Browser by skyaceSkyace, it would help if you did give some details of why you feel this way. Otherwise, it just sounds like a broadside attack for no reason against Firefox.
I use both browsers. And, if someone has been using IE for a long time and switches to Firefox, there is a little bit of a learning curve. Just like with any new product. But it is definitely NOT overwhelming or difficult to figure out.
Browsers do the same things. The buttons may look a little different and how you get to certain things may be a little different. But it's easy to learn. I've used software that is so non-intuitive it makes you crazy. Firefox is definitely not in that category.
Firefox currently offers several pluses over IE - not quite as problem prone as IE, tabbed browsing is great, loads web pages much more quickly than IE, plenty of add-ons and plug-ins to enhance your browsing.
Yes, you're right, IE does a good job for what it's supposed to do. The problem is that it has not made any significant improvements to the web browsing experience and Firefox has.
Brent
Themes!
by ShadowTiger26499 - 10/14/05 10:26 PM In reply to: Have to Disagree With This by Kinda GeekyYou forgot the themes!! I love the fact Firefox is skinable, and nobody seems to bring that up on forums.
If there's anything people like doing it's changing how their software looks, and being able to do so with little work is always good fun.
Not a Newbie
by trublubush - 10/14/05 8:49 AM In reply to: Newbie's shouldn't jump to Firefox Browser by skyaceI am not a newbie so I can speak with at least a modicum of authority on this browser choice issue.
Actually, there's nothing wrong with Firefox. It does it's thing pretty well! I, however, do not use it. IE has great advantage over Firefox in that IE settings can be configured to allow for expanded navigation which Firefox just simply isn't set up for. By editing IE's configuration in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, HKEY_CURRENT_USER and Inetcpl.CPL, IE can be firewalled to the max and still do whatever you tell it to do. (Don't worry about ''DSO Exploit,'' it's easy to get around this hole.)
Oh, btw, does Firefox allow you to view source HTML, CSS, and JS script, edit these, and block default refreshing?
And does Firefox allow you to run SWF objects offline?
And does Firefox allow you to have your choice of pluggins and BHO's, Etc.?
IE compared to FF is like MS Word compared to Wordpad.
But the choice is yours! They will both get you ''on the net!''
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