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All The Projection Formats Are Horrible, Including LCD, DLP,
by Psych Doc - 9/27/05 1:17 PMetc. How can people honestly watch these abominations and not know that they have made a terrible mistake by not going with plasma?
I have seen 100's of them and, to a one, they are all unwatchable from anywhere other that dead on center. You go off to the side as much as 30 degrees and it looks like someone messed with the settings in a not very nice way. Try going off axis vertically and you're in for an even worse suprise.
Aren't people seeing this?
What's up here?
Is the desire to save money so great that people will accept this garbage in their homes?
Ugh!!!
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by 3luke3 - 9/27/05 7:14 PM In reply to: All The Projection Formats Are Horrible, Including LCD, DLP, by Psych Docyou just talking about rear-projection systems? because I'm in the visual industry & the really high-end systems are forward projection systems, & they can have more capability than any plasma.
Point Well Taken...
by Psych Doc - 9/28/05 6:03 AM In reply to: erm.... by 3luke3...Yes, I am only referring to the various incarnations of rear projection (which makes ujp 99% of the home, consumer market, of course). Elaborate front projection systems are, indeed, very good but they are well beyond the scope or budget of almost all home users.
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by 3luke3 - 9/28/05 7:28 AM In reply to: Point Well Taken... by Psych DocI know what you mean. I think the biggest problem lies in screen technology. If somebody asked me to make a material that limits ambient light from the front & shows through projected light from the rear... I couldn't do it 
Don't rule out all forward projection systems, for 2-5 grand, you can have a really nice, bright, sharp, large setup
What about CRT?
by Tyler2000 - 9/28/05 8:17 AM In reply to: All The Projection Formats Are Horrible, Including LCD, DLP, by Psych DocIsn't it a better question to ask: Why don't more people realize the mistake of getting an LCD, DLP, Plasma, or LCOS and not get the best looking picture from a CRT directview set?
It is my opinion that some quality loss can be tolerated for a larger screen size. A larger screen makes a better movie experience for me, but why does anyone bother with a 40" or less LCD or plasma?
: What about CRT?
by jcrobso - 9/28/05 8:38 AM In reply to: What about CRT? by Tyler2000Well the downside of the CRT is WEIGHT!!!!!!
I have a 14 year old 32" CRT and it weighs #200. Which is why the rear projector has rulled the over 32" market for so long. OK, they can weight around #150 also but you get a 50" screen. Both direct view and rear CRT projection TVs take up a lot of realestate!
Sony (I think) made a 40" CRT at one time it cost around $10,000 and weighted in at about #400.
Panasonic currently has 32" HDTV will do 1080i but it is a3x4 format and weights in at #214. John
Weight
by Tyler2000 - 9/28/05 10:41 AM In reply to: : What about CRT? by jcrobsoThey're heavy, so what? So are refrigerators. If you have a place to put a 200lb CRT HDTV, it might be the last TV you ever need to buy.
Sorry if I changed the subject of the thread, but it frustrates me that companies have made consumers think these new technologies are better, when the best technology has been around for years.
CRT
by jcrobso - 9/28/05 1:03 PM In reply to: Weight by Tyler2000"Sorry if I changed the subject of the thread, but it frustrates me that companies have made consumers think these new technologies are better, when the best technology has been around for years."
But you do bring up an interesting point.
Why do they do this??? Beacuse of some thing called profits!!! A lot things factor in to this.
One of them is shipping, you can ship 3 or 4 plasmas for the cost of shipping one big CRT TV and the will fit the same shipping space. The box my 32" came in was huge.
My 32" is about 25" deep. Now if I were to replace it with a plasma that is 6" deep, I have gained some 18" floor space.
The newer TVs do give some mounting options that you couldn't do with CRTs, or would be difficult to do.
I would like to have a front projector, but my wife doesn't like the idea of permanently blocking off our 5 living room windows, oh well!!! John
Why get LCD < 40 inches
by Why_not - 10/8/05 5:58 AM In reply to: What about CRT? by Tyler2000When was the last time you moved a 26 or 32 inch CRT TV by yourself? As a 5'4" woman, I found that a 20 inch set was the upper limit for me-considering both size and weight. I was able to get a larger screen set (the 20" CRT I replaced pushed the depth limit of its space) and I have no issues with the picture on my LCD.
Picture Quality
by Tyler2000 - 10/10/05 5:14 PM In reply to: Why get LCD < 40 inches by Why_notFlat panels are easier to carry & don't take up much space, which is fine if you not concerned with picture quality. I guess if you have a small bedroom or crowded kitchen, a flat panel is an option to consider.
"I have no issues with the picture on my LCD."
A problem I've noticed as I started taking interest in HDTV technologies is: when do I decide what is good enough? I know a CRT front projection is the absolute best picture quality & size, but I don't have $20k+ to buy one. If I bought a DLP projector for $3,000 it would look extremely good, but I would know I wouldn't have the best technology out there. The more I've read about picture quality, the less I'm able to settle for average quality.
You may not notice or care about LCD's poor contrast, poor color saturation and poor viewing angle, but the problems are there.
All The Projection Formats Are Horrible,
by jcrobso - 9/28/05 8:21 AM In reply to: All The Projection Formats Are Horrible, Including LCD, DLP, by Psych DocWell, everything has it's cost.
Plasmas are just NOW getting below the $2000 mark.
Most are still closer to $3000,
Now if some one could make 50" CRT that wieghted less than a car, and cost les than$2000,,Hmmmm that would be good. Well the closest to this is a plasma.
But the CRT can do FULL 1080i or 1080p. Right now most plasma are the ED 640x480 types as the stores are trying clear them out. I was at Costco and they have an ED plasma setup next to a HD plasma 1280x720, the HD was so much better. There are a few HD plasmas that are
1080i but still in the car price range.
Costco also had a 42" DLP projector($2500) on the corner of the isle set a an angle and across for it was 45" CRT rear projector ($1300). I was able to stand in the isle and view both of them just turnig my head. Over all the CRT had the better picture, cleaner looking, he contrast was a little higher on the DLP, but that could easly just be a setting change.
Any LCD or DLP projector will have to have the lamp replaced so over a 10 years time period that could be $600~900.
Most front projector LCD's are 1024x768. Ther are some that are 1280x720.
Even though HD has been around for a few years it is just starting to take off, so the next couple of years could be interesting. John
everyone has their own opinion
by sears tv guy - 9/28/05 11:47 AM In reply to: All The Projection Formats Are Horrible, Including LCD, DLP, by Psych DocI personally could have bought any tv and I sell. Plasma was actually one of the last on my list. I have been very displeased with most plasmas except for the higher end ones that come with a decent resolution and don't have to resort to an image scaler to even up the horizontal and vertical pixels.
I've got the samsung pedestal 50" dlp and it is absolutely magnificant. I don't think I have seen a plasma yet that holds a candle to it.
I have many friends with plasmas who spent a hekc of a lot more than I did on a tv and they always ask why my picture looks better and more realistic than theirs.
I personally think you might be a little narrow minded to make such judgements as you did in your first post, but thats just my opinion.
Re:
by Psych Doc - 9/28/05 12:05 PM In reply to: everyone has their own opinion by sears tv guyAny opinion of the Sony KDE-42XS955? It has a native resolution of 1024x1024.
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