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Community weekly poll: What punishment should be handed down to virus creators?
- 9/13/05 4:14 PM
Banned from using a computer for life
by tcharp - 9/13/05 5:47 PM In reply to: What punishment should be handed down to virus creators? by Marc Bennett
These people have shown that they are not responsible enough to be amoung real (computer) people. They should be banned from computers and the internet for life, and fined an unbearable amount of money, and imprisoned for 1 year for each computer they infect.
-TC
To be kept in mental asylum for 15 years
by sukhen - 9/13/05 5:48 PM In reply to: What punishment should be handed down to virus creators? by Marc Bennett
They need be kept in mental asylum for 15 years
What a HEARTLESS comment in re: the mentally ill...
by Julie Allen - 9/14/05 12:44 AM In reply to: To be kept in mental asylum for 15 years by sukhenThe mentally ill have a bona fide health problem. It's a very serious health issue.
Virus writers are CRIMINALS...they belong in PRISON.
Go to nami.org and LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT THE STIGMA OF MENTAL ILLNESS.
Being Just is not necessarily being Fair.
by skopelman - 9/13/05 5:52 PM In reply to: What punishment should be handed down to virus creators? by Marc Bennett
It is important to always consider that the letter of the law does not always equal the intent. I do not believe every individual should be punished equally. A three year stealing grapes is not the same thing as a forty year old stealing grapes. Yet there are many forty year olds who have the mentality of three year olds. Rules and laws are not set in concrete, but must bend to fit the situation. It should teach as well as inflict appropriate consequences for the wrong-doer's actions. No one is perfect, though we mostly believe that we can prescribe punishment for someone else, and still be immune ourselves. But when we behave wrongly, we want compassion and the hope of acquittal. There is a statement..."Truth in Love". Note the order; it does not say love before truth, and that is important. You may love a Communist so much, that the truth of freedom becomes corrupt, and you part ways with it. But first know what you stand for, and then impart love.
Therefore, we are human beings first, frail and fragile and imperfect, and who cannot always do right by our very nature. Inflict the consequences due, but in truth and love, always knowing first and formost that we have no special means of preventing our own selves from doing far worse, circumstances permitting.
puuhhllease
by avocats - 9/13/05 6:20 PM In reply to: Being Just is not necessarily being Fair. by skopelmanthey should be sentenced to jail time= total amount of time spent dealing with their progeny
Punishments for Cybercrime
by swbrandt - 9/13/05 6:25 PM In reply to: Being Just is not necessarily being Fair. by skopelmanYou know, in many ways I agree with you Skopelman (for many kinds of personal and even violent crime)... but writing a computer virus is a very conscious, chosen action. I find it difficult to see extenuating circumstances that ''push'' a person into committing cybercrime. The people who do this are generally both very clever and very much aware of the consequences of their actions (in terms of the problems that the virus will cause) but think that they will not get caught, and that it's just fun and games. It's not, and we need to make sure that we are working hard to dispel that image by raising the profile of the arrests of cybercriminals.
Obviously, we need to uphold our standards of equal treatment under the law, protection from cruel or unusual punishments, presumption of innocence until guilt is proven, and punishments that are fitting of the crime committed. But I see no reason for the punishments to be light when the consequences of the crimes are so wide-spread and costly.
Punishment should fit the crime
by sharee100 - 9/13/05 7:26 PM In reply to: Being Just is not necessarily being Fair. by skopelmanI had to wipe out my hard drive and start all over again. It cost me $300 to get my computer running smoothly. My neightbor has spent $250 so far on repairing virus damage. My son spent $50 fixing his computer. That's $600 from 3 people. The punishment should be severe enough and costly enough to make the virus writer think several times before attempting to write anything even remotely resembling a virus program ever again.
Reply to "Being Just is not necessarily being Fair"
by dp273-condor - 9/13/05 8:30 PM In reply to: Being Just is not necessarily being Fair. by skopelmanAre you kidding me? What planet did you come from? You were 20 years old in 1961, weren't you...
In Manila, they cut off a hand if you steal a loaf of bread. I say, write a virus that effects thousands of computers, and costs the world millions of dollars - chop off both arms at the shoulder (with a rusty meat cleaver, of course). Better yet - do it in public - on prime time TV. That will give the next great virus author something to think about...
Life isn't "Fair"....but it must be "Just"
Logical Punishments:
by ceneddra - 9/14/05 6:49 AM In reply to: Being Just is not necessarily being Fair. by skopelmanBelow is my first responds to the question of punishment. I don't think that stealing candy bar by a teenager is comparable to stealing a TV by an adult. So I think my punishment is a good way to handle both. If the person meant the viris as a prank the first offense is stiff enough to discourage futher repeats but also gives them a chance to better themselves and be employable after there term. Big companies could hire them to defend against the other criminals. This would weed out the one who makes a stupid mistake from those who really want to harm. Of course my idea is only an idea and off the cuff so to speak. It could be modified to different levels depending on intent and actual harm caused. Ceneddra
In my Love and Logic class they talk about making the consquence (punishment) approprate to the action (crime) So I think they should do service and resitution. It could work like this. 1st offense, Five years of Minimun wage work (don't want the to get rich) finding cures and tracking down software virises and creating anti-virus software programs (this would include NO licesing rights or pattons rights on any of their work) as well writing individual appology messages to all the people they had hurt and paying for all of the postage(no e-mail) . 2nd offense 10 years of the same but they now have to personally meet and apolize to everyone they caused problems to with his program. This should keep them busy! 3rd offense 20 years in prison with NO access to a computeror any computer information from library or visitors. By the time they get out (hopfully) their computer knowledge will be so out dated their not a threat to us.
for a jury to decide
by Ericslaw - 9/14/05 7:24 AM In reply to: Being Just is not necessarily being Fair. by skopelmanYour wish to see punishment applied that fits the crime is one I would expect a judge and jury to weigh.
However, there are no laws as yet that adequately protect the computer owner or penalties perfected that address the levels of severity of any given infraction. The horse comes before the cart and we desperately need the horse. It needs to be strong and swift. The cart can be built through the hands of common people as they hear the details of those charged and having then the love and truth as you say to inflict a just punishment. The simple fact that it takes a great concious effort to write a virus should weigh heavily against one convicted and I simply do not trust a jury to hand down a verdict when they put their hearts before those of whom have been harmed. Judges should keep that fact in mind when instructing a jury for their deliberations on any crime. In too many cases juries have refused to convict UNLAWFULLY. The absurdity that this goes unpunished is another story.
I'm bled out with this love idea. Never forget the victims!
Compassion and Justice
by JWolfe23 - 9/15/05 6:36 AM In reply to: Being Just is not necessarily being Fair. by skopelmanWhile it feels good to vent our frustration and anger by suggesting what we feel are terrible punishments for people who we feel who have wronged others, it should be our true goal, that after getting out the anger, we must treat all people with compassion, and find what punishment is truely just.
A prison sentence is probably warrented, but is definately a punishment and does not serve the goals of reform or teaching them that their previous acts to prove thier computer saavy or make money by taking from others is unacceptable on this planet (if not everywhere else).
The suggestions in Logical Punishements (above)are very good and really try to drive home the random, thoughtless pain caused by the crime. Make them see the affect of their acts in the faces of others.
Remember that we all live in this world together. We all probably do things daily that are technically illegal, without thought or concern to who may be adversly affected by our actions (look at your driving habits for an illustration of this). Would we want to have the book thrown at us for our "crimes"? Or, would we like "punishment" inacted that shows us the full imact of our actions and shows us that justice works both ways, as a reasonable balance between victim and perp.
Get real!
by PCGuru - 9/16/05 10:40 PM In reply to: Being Just is not necessarily being Fair. by skopelmanShowing consideration for offenders as opposed to showing consideration for victims is an imbalance in the justice system scale. I believe the victims rights should always be first. There are too many "Do Gooders" laws out there, that give criminals the advantage over victims. More and more, juries leave the courtrooms saying, "We know he was probabily guility, but the prosecution didn't show enough evidence." or "We had to follow the Judge's guidelines."
But, Judges are limited to guidelines formed by "Do Gooders" laws that put the criminals rights, before the victims rights.
Go back to the beginning: In the bible, when Cain killed his brother Able, It says God banished him from socieity forever. It mentions nothing about 1st offense, 2nd offense, Victim's rights, etc., etc., etc.!! The hazy gray areas of the laws make it easier and easier for criminals to get off with less and less punishment for their crimes and increases the incentive for committing crimes. All at the expense of the victims and their families. Sad!
Punishment
by rflester - 9/13/05 5:52 PM In reply to: What punishment should be handed down to virus creators? by Marc Bennett
All I'm going to say is that, in situations like this, the Arabs have the right idea (chop, chop!).
Singapore treat
by pbukhari - 9/13/05 5:52 PM In reply to: What punishment should be handed down to virus creators? by Marc Bennett
We should import a Malaca cane from singapore, take their pants down and lash their bottoms to pulp, so that they can never sit down again.
Virus makers penalty
by JStringer - 9/13/05 5:53 PM In reply to: What punishment should be handed down to virus creators? by Marc Bennett
I think a person who creates and distributes a virus should be fined $1.00 per computer that is infected.
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