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Desktops: Dual Core vs Hyperthread Technology

by r_curley - 7/31/05 2:00 PM
Post 16 of 23

RE:

by damasta55r - 8/20/05 5:16 PM In reply to: (NT) Conroe? by ikjadoon

To replace Pentium D 900 which hasnt been released yet, which replaces pentium d 8xx Smithfield. Presler 9xx, will support vt tech. Conroe to replace presler is based on menrom, which is set to replace yonah, which will be released soon to replace sonoma Pentium M. Conroe will be the first chip that doesn;t incorporate netburst, i think.

Post 17 of 23

(NT) I'm confused

by jas0nhe - 8/20/05 7:47 PM In reply to: RE: by damasta55r

Post 18 of 23

(NT) I second that

by ikjadoon - 8/21/05 8:00 AM In reply to: (NT) I'm confused by jas0nhe

Post 19 of 23

Simpler terms

by damasta55r - 8/21/05 10:25 AM In reply to: RE: by damasta55r

Current pentium D are 8xx series (smithfield core)
Next gen Pentium D=9xx series (presler core)
ReplaCING PENTIUM D 9XX series (conroe series)

Current Pentium M (Sonoma)
Next gen Pentium M (Yonah)
Next next gen (Menrom)


Presler will encorporate virtualization technology and be 65nm. Yonah will be first dual-core for pentium M and also 65nm. Menrom will follow yonah, conroe will be based on menrom. There are other cores slated by intel, cedar mill for single core Pentium 4, 65nm.

Post 20 of 23

The "Megahertz Myth" is one explanation to why .............

by ackmondual - 8/21/05 12:47 PM In reply to: cooling by ikjadoon

......... to why clockspeed isn't everything when comparing processors. You'll need QuickTime to view these vid clips. This is Apple's explanation why one of Apple's 800MHz processor can outperform one of Intel's 1.8GHz processor

http://lowendmac.com/scope/03/0319.html
http://www.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/graphics/movies/mhz_myth_320f.mov

As for AMD vs Intel, there are other things to consider for processors as well as pipelines mentioned in the above comparison. There's also clock cycles, amount of L1/L2 cache, instructions per cycle, Front Side Bus speeds, etc. Because of all these attributes/components that make up a processor, there really isn't a "super processor" that does every type of task the fastest/best performance.
In fact, the general consensus for the time being is that Intel processors are better for ppl who do ALOT of multitasking on their PC as well as video editting/encoding procedures while AMD is better for games or just budget consumers (those who won't use their PC for Intel's processors' pros over AMD can get an AMD proc for cheaper with the same end result)

This and more are the reasons Y clockspeed isn't relevant anymore.
1) For a given range of tasks, AMD processors can achieve that same performance at a lower clockspeed.
illustrative e.g. AMD was (and still does to some extent) Athlon 2400. THe "2400" was a naming scheme to let consumers know (among other reasons for this naming scheme) that while the Athlon 2400 ran about 2.0GHz, it was on par with a P4 2.4GHz processor
2) Intel used to be able to tout they have higher clockspeeds. They now have to retract and correct that marketing move. Their new laptop processor Centrino has much better architecture than the P4 Mobiles. A 1.6GHz Centrino has better networking, is cooler, but is also on par if not above a P4 2.4GHz mobile processor. They want ppl buying the newer, better, more expensive Centrinos and selling soley on clockspeeds will only hurt them here.

PS
Processors aren't the only components to share this ideal. In automobiles, a 8 cylinder engine isn't necessarily better than an 6 cylinder engine. For video cards, more RAM isn't the only factor.

For vid cards, buyers need to consider pipelines, bandwidths, speed of RAM, how well it handles stuff like openGL, what version of DirectX does it supports, what graphic methods are available (alpha blending, aliasing, etc.). If none of these ring a bell, then ask around, use benchmarking scores and/or conclusions from editorial reviews to make your decision w/o having to learn in depth about vid card hardware. One point to consider is there are some 64MB vid cards that actually outperform a 128MB vid card. Another point to consider is you don't want to pay $400 for a 256MB vid card when you're only gonna get marginal performance boost compared to a $200 128MB vid card.

Post 21 of 23

some Cnet comments and from other sources too.....

by ackmondual - 8/19/05 5:23 PM In reply to: Dual Core vs Hyperthread Technology by r_curley

HT (in this post is "hyperthreading", NOT hypertransport) isn't 2 processors in one. HT means that some apps and OSes that support it will yield better performance boosts due to more efficient use of the processor to work on multiple similar tasks better. It is *NOT* 2 processors since typical max performance gain is roughly 30%.... farcry fom 100% as the "virtual 2 proc" may suggest. Cnet articles also pointed out that in some rare cases, HT may actually decrease overall performance, but such decrease wouldn't be too large.

As for dual core (DC), I'm sure u won't always have 200% performance compared to today's 1 core, but I'd like to think u'd get 20% to 50% boost even if apps weren't written to take advantage of that feature. For apps that do.... boo yah! Only con on DC i can speculate is the OS and PC needs to make sure there's no conflicts in data manipulation. Whereas 1 core it's not an issue, with DC, u need to make sure processor doesn't access some piece of data while another process is writing to it or vice versa. That'll lead to data corruption

Post 22 of 23

Dual Core vs Hyperthreading?

by NMHUCOWBOY - 8/21/05 7:57 AM In reply to: Dual Core vs Hyperthread Technology by r_curley

Dual Core means there are two physical processors that may do work on your computer at the same time (that's in parallel). Hyperthreading in a single core means, when a processor is in a wait state, say for a packet to be delivered, it could do something else, ie. work on another thread (hyperthreading), while it is waiting for the packet. It's a method of taking full advantage of the processors capability. Hope this helps. -NMHUCOWBOY

Post 23 of 23

(NT) ok, how about using hyperthreading with dual core?

by drpimento - 8/21/05 9:18 AM In reply to: Dual Core vs Hyperthreading? by NMHUCOWBOY

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