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Permanent markers on CD's
by jam4201 - 6/29/05 1:07 PMI read somewhere NOT to use permanent markers to write on CD's because after some time it will eat through the CD and ruin your data/pics. Does anyone know if this is true? Please tell me it isn't true! :o)
My 8 year olds...
by FrankQTran - 6/29/05 1:24 PM In reply to: Permanent markers on CD's by jam4201CD with the marker written on it still alive.
Where did you read/find that article?
Regards,
Your government $ at work....
by Dick White - 6/29/05 1:30 PM In reply to: Permanent markers on CD's by jam4201The National Institute of Standards has published a useful guide.
http://www.itl.nist.gov/div895/carefordisc/onepage.pdf
Note #2 in the DO list - use a non-solvent based felt tip pen. The MagicMarker brand, for example, is solvent based. It will, over time, degrade the plastic possibly leading to ruination of the metallic core. The Sharpie brand, for example, is non-solvent based. There may be others.
I only use a Sharpie brand marker. I buy the super-paks of 5 or 10 markers and leave them all over the house so I will be able to find one quickly no matter what room I am in.
Only slightly off your original question... Note #3 in the DON'T list - don't use those Neato stickon paper labels for any CD disk you want to keep. Over a long period of time, the adhesive on the label will degrade the plastic of the disk.
dw
permanent markers
by jam4201 - 6/29/05 5:34 PM In reply to: Your government $ at work.... by Dick WhiteGuess I'll be getting the Sharpies! After I read the article in our newspaper I burned all my cd's again, this time using Avery Labels. Is that the wrong kind of label also? I'll just burn them again if I have to. :o) I sure don't want to lose these pictures. Thanks guys.
Agreed
by stewart6 - 6/29/05 5:57 PM In reply to: permanent markers by jam4201I agree with all of the above. you can buy a marker pen for CDs for a couple of dollars. Labels are not only likely to degrade your CD but they can also wreck your CD player. These disks spin at incredible speed and can cause the label to be jettisoned into the bowels of your player.
Another golden rule don't let a ballpoint get anywhere near to your CDs as the pressure can kill the disk.
yup...
by Dick White - 6/29/05 7:18 PM In reply to: Agreed by stewart6and regarding the labels - Avery, Neato, all the same. It's the glue.
dw
Label and Sharpie
by denjones - 6/29/05 7:26 PM In reply to: yup... by Dick WhiteIf you're set on using labels, put the label on the jewelry case and use a Sharpie on the CD. If the pictures are that precious, have multiple copies.
Marking your disks
by dminott - 7/1/05 11:07 PM In reply to: Your government $ at work.... by Dick WhiteBite the bullet and buy a LightScribe drive!
The prices are coming down as more manufacturers jump on the bandwagon. With these drives (and the proper disks, which cost a bit more at present) there is no need for markers or labels! The LASER does the writing for you! Although you only get greyscale at present, you can write beautiful graphics as well as text, using any font and any graphic image you want!
It takes a bit of time to write the "label" side of the disk, so don't use it for "throwaways."
I am enjoying the very professional look of these disks!
Dave
BullCrap
by EmporerEJ - 7/2/05 12:28 AM In reply to: Your government $ at work.... by Dick WhiteI call Bullcrap on this entire topic.
Sow me one confirmed example of these ''degraded Discs?''
The only way the marker will Burn through the top of the disc, through the metal layer, and damage the pitted side is with a soldering Iron.
Again I say, show me ONE, just ONE example.
In the time these discs will degrade naturally, the medium would never be technologically readable.
They said the same thing about floppies....''Oh, they'll wear out!''
Show me ANYONE still using floppies for important data storage.
It's all Crap.
Floppies
by marcycn - 7/5/05 4:35 PM In reply to: BullCrap by EmporerEJMy Ex is still in the dark ages - uses floppies to back up his tax customers info and refuses to use the Internet - it's not safe. 
That's one reason why he's my ex!
Some people just refuse to graduate into the new era and then the rest of us are all for the latest gadgets.
Certainly not
by djjimmyjazz - 7/5/05 7:23 PM In reply to: Floppies by marcycnFor sure floppies are outdated for mass-media storage, but for pure computer and computer-like devices they are alive and well. I am in the show production industry and many of the professional grade lighting consoles use foppies for a variety of tasks - everything from saving shows to console operating systems to moving-light personalities.
For pure professionals, floppies will never die.
ever heard about this
by jeniesis1 - 7/16/05 3:31 AM In reply to: Certainly not by djjimmyjazzusb flash drives. but i admire nostlagia. 
I have discs degraded by label glue
by Mgradyc - 7/13/05 11:58 PM In reply to: BullCrap by EmporerEJBack when I ripped my 600+ CD collection to mp3 I made two sets (about 50 CD-rs each set) of mp3 data discs. One to be stored as an archive set and one to travel with me as I was on the road about 300 days a year. I listened to them on a CD/mp3 player, as HD mp3 players at the time didn't have near the capacity to store the entire collection and my laptop then only had a 20GB HD. The archive set I marked with Sharpies. The travel set I made adhesive labels for, with artist & album info and album cover art. During the label making process, some of the labels had minor mistakes printed on them (like the album cover art images weren't in the same order on the label as the files for each album were on the disc). Two of those labels were already applied to the discs before the mistakes were discovered. For those two discs, I stored the ones with mis-printed labels as the archive copies and made corrected labels which I placed on the discs marked with Sharpies and put them in the travel set. Both sets used the same brand of blank media from two 50-packs purchased at the same time. Since I burned two copies of each disc as I went along, the first package of blanks were used for both the archive and travel copies of the first 25 discs in each set, and the second package provided the blanks for the second group of archives and masters in the set. The archive set has been stored in a dark, cool, dry place since that time, except for when I sometimes needed to copy a replacement disc for a damaged one in the travel set (usually due to scratches from dust and vibration, etc... or so I thought).
Recently I acquired a 160GB external Hard Drive and decided to transfer all the data files from the archive set onto the HD. Guess which discs were the only two in the entire archive set to experience read errors during the transfer? Just as most reports on the subject have noted, the data near the edge of the discs was the most degraded. Even when slowing the CD reader down to 1x, several of the final tracks on those two discs were unreadable, and I had to re-rip from the original CD's to complete the collection on my HD. I then checked randomly selected discs from the travel set (all with labels) that I don't use much anymore since my job now doesn't require the travel and found a good number of them with read errors near the edge also. While sunlight, humidity, scratches etc... may be used to explain the problems with the travel set, the two discs with adhesive labels in the archive set were never exposed to any of those environmental factors. The ONLY difference between those two and the other archived discs were the adhesive labels.
"Quality" counts too'
by Cursorcowboy - 7/14/05 6:11 AM In reply to: I have discs degraded by label glue by MgradycBe familiar with CD Media World's information,"CD-R Quality" and make a good choice of material used.
The gold-colored CD-R uses the PhthaloCyanine pigment and a gold reflection layer. As the pigment is transparent, the golden reflection layer shines through the bottom side giving the `golden' look. Compared to the other colored media, the reflection contrast of the golden medium is the highest and the durability of such CD-R's is said to be over 100 years. As the golden medium's reflective property is the highest, if your friends or customers have problems reading data from any other burnt media, try using the gold medium CD-R.
Brand Factory Quality Misc
Imation Taiyo Yuden Good
Kodak Kodak Good
Philips Gold Kodak Good
TraxData Gold Kodak Good
Philips Silver Taiyo Yuden Good
Ricoh Premium Ricoh Good
Sony Taiyo Yuden Good
TDK TDK Good
NoName Mitsubishi Mitsubishi Medium
Ricoh Standard Ricoh Medium
That's Taiyo Yuden Medium
Arita Ritek Bad
Philips IQ Silver Ritek Bad Problems writing the "aged" CD-R's
TraxData Silver Ritek Bad
NoName Ritek Ritek Bad
FujiFilm Ritek Bad Problems writing the "aged" CD-R's
NoName Fornet Fornet Bad
Great Info
by bewitched9 - 7/15/05 2:02 AM In reply to: "Quality" counts too' by CursorcowboyThank you for the great information. There is a lot of confusion in determining the most reliable media to write to. This site really helped.
Do you know whether or not the information also applies to DVDs ?
Thnx
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