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Browsers: Firefox, Netscape, IE?? ***!!!!
SlimBrowser is one of the best but least mentioned Browser
by vabiraj - 6/27/05 5:09 PM In reply to: Slimbrowser by BarryFSSlimBrowser is by far one of the best but least mentioned web browser out there. Yes its true that it basically runs on top of Microsoft Internet Explorer but its so much better. It works fast, it does tab browsing so much more beautiful than any other browser out there. Firefox is good too but they should look to SlimBrowser for the way their tabs automatically open when you click on a link.
RE: Firefox, Netscape, IE?? ***!!!!
by ravensorrow - 6/3/05 5:32 AM In reply to: Firefox, Netscape, IE?? ***!!!! by alexcordero9Well it mostly is security. From a security standpoint, FireFox is much more secure then IE or Netscape. lets move onto a little about each browser and how they work (from a geeks standpoint)
1. IE: Internet Explorer is propriatay software, own in full by Microsoft and bundled with there OS. IE has become a bad taste in geeks mouths because of it's lack of functionaility, expandability and it's aparent lack of security. If you take a Windows 95 Computer and introduce it to the internet, it won't take long for some hacker to find a way into that Win95 box though your browser. To a geek, unauthorized entry is handled the same way US-SS handle the Whitehouse No-Fly Zone, kill first ask questions later.
2. Netscape: Netscape's code is propriatary but the endresult is given away freely. It is based on the Gecko engine from Mozilla. Mozilla is the open-source sister project to Mozilla and was the cream of the crom in it's hayday.
3. Firefox: Firefox is the next step in browser technology, It is completely opensource and when an exploit is found against this browser it is only a few days till it is patched/fixed whereas IE can take months before it is fixed.
4. Mozilla: Mozilla wasn't mentioned in your post but I feel it needs to be brought up for completeness. Mozilla was the last generof browsers, it has been a staple for browser technology for many years and with the move to FireFox it will soon fall into disuse and become unmaintained. But that is still years away. Mozilla is still maintained alongside Firefox and is still released today and will for many years to come, it's an Extreamly popular browser.
Keep in mind OpenSource should scare you, it just means it's free for you to use on your computer, you don't have to pay for it. Also keep in mind Mozilla/Firefox/Netscape have been more compatable with the Language behind the browsers. HTML/CSS/SSI and whatnot. IE has been notories for not including the full support for these features or will modify the language for there own tastes thusly breaking the code's standard.
So hopefully this will answer your questions about browsers.
Pick whichever one you like better.
by Acaykath - 6/3/05 7:33 AM In reply to: RE: Firefox, Netscape, IE?? ***!!!! by ravensorrow''Mozilla/Firefox/Netscape have been more compatable with the Language behind the browsers. HTML/CSS/SSI and whatnot. IE has been notories for not including the full support for these features''
Firstly, both browsers do not have full support for these. especially CSS. It depends on which features you believe are more important.
Personally I dont use Firefox, I use Avant Browser which is an add-on for IE that gives it all of the browsing features that Firefox has. The only thing I use Firefox for is their web development tools so I can see my css changes as I make them etc (I have yet to find where they hid these features in the newest version, it was all easily accessible on 1.1)...
If someone like the way IE dislays things then they should use Avant. If they like the way Firefox displays things, then they should use Firefox. Neither is better or worse than the other.
i hate how IE stopped being my default
by Ally7 - 6/3/05 2:29 PM In reply to: RE: Firefox, Netscape, IE?? ***!!!! by ravensorrowI liked IE (and i accept the features that FF etc have might be good - esp the zoom I would like that)but when i got BT Yahoo broadband it came with this bespoke yahoo browser that i think is rubbish. It has no "history" feature, other than in current online experience (a miserable down arrow on the backspace)and the favs is quite frankly a pain to configure (no easy create or add to groupings without going into the thing to sort it all as a separate task) and WORST of all it doesnt accept the functions on my intellimouse optical (as far as I see) - i liked doing back and forward on the extra buttons taht had. Maybe I havent researched enough I acceopt, but all these things worked out of the box on IE.
Of course I can use Xp but then that limits my access to the zippiteedoooda functions i can access as a bt yahoo customer (like radio etc). Why could they not just ensure that the newer browser add to the existing functions without removing some first.
Rant over - viva IE
Ally
Bugs, updates, bugs, bugs...
by carlos20031 - 6/3/05 7:44 AM In reply to: Firefox, Netscape, IE?? ***!!!! by alexcordero9I'm not a geek nor I'm an expert on this subject, but, I can only tell you that I personally switched because I was fed up with constant bugs, threats of hacking and errors in my computer using IE. Since I changed to FF (about a year ago) I have not had a single instance of those problems. The only drawback: in some sites I can't play Windows Media Video (such as MSN) because it wants me to forcefully use IE (I guess there is some combination there between IE and WMV that is needed to them). I just don't play those videos and keep going.
Regards.
Carlos
IE bashing or not
by chambers - 6/3/05 9:45 AM In reply to: Firefox, Netscape, IE?? ***!!!! by alexcordero9I think it is better to say if you like IE then stay with it. If you like geting update and patches to fix this hole or that then ok too. I have run IE and every time I get off it I run my adaware programs. Almost every time I get some junk put on my PC. Now since I switched to Opera 8.00 that has stopped altogether. I even tried going on known website that will try to hit you with an adaware or 2. I run my adware programs and nothing. I think MS should remove the IE altogether and let the user pick which browser her or she want to use.
The same with the M player. Here in the EU they are stopping MS from adding it in to their windows systems.
When all that will happen is the big question. I think freedom of choice is what is important here not puting down one browers over another.
Avant
by tr400 - 6/3/05 10:09 AM In reply to: Firefox, Netscape, IE?? ***!!!! by alexcordero9I have been in computerdom since my first Commodore 64 in 1986. Frankly, all these other browsers and OS'es are knock offs of that system, to include Apple and MS. That having been said, the best on the market today is the Microsoft XP and that is proved by the amount of all the wanna-bees buzzing around the main hive of MS. For a browser, I use two that I have trouble choosing between. I use the popular Firefox and I use Avant. I lean towards Avant because it is built on the IE code and I'm comfortable with it. Now, the answer to your questions follow:
1. It is MS bashing to an extent but many people are confused by the plethora of articles that come out on the web about the various virii and other microbes (Trojans, etc.)on C-net and other news themed sites.
2. Nothing is wrong with IE that won't be fixed in IE 7 due out next year. Right now, its a little out dated and cumbersome, but, with all the fixes, still serviceable.
3. You are not alone in not caring about security. But, once again, many news articles preach security and the average person doesn't realize these "the sky is falling" type of articles are aimed more at businesses.
4. Speed? Frankly, I think Avant is faster than the others and, remember, it is built on IE's base.
5. In the end, the choice of browsers is entirely the users perogative. I have no idea why so many people are dissatisfied with IE or MS. I just kind of refer to my first analogy about the wanna-bees.
Hope this wasn't so long you quit reading about the middle, but I figured someone should try to answer your original questions. Until we meet on the boards again, good 'puting and surfing, no matter what you do it with. Bill
RE: Avant
by ravensorrow - 6/3/05 4:18 PM In reply to: Avant by tr400> 2. Nothing is wrong with IE that won't be fixed in IE 7 > due out next year. Right now, its a little out dated
> and cumbersome, but, with all the fixes, still
> serviceable.
Here is a flaw in your logic. As it stands, Microsoft *WILL NOT* be relaseing IE7 for Windows 2000 and below. I know of several networks of several hundred computers each who have different MS OS's in different stages of being updated (These SysAdmins beleieve it is the responcability of each workstation user to keep there workstation up to date and I agree with that). I have in the paste consulted with these people about some techynical issues and I have learned a few things in the process. *ALL* of there computers have FireFox as the default web browser ... why you ask ... it's very simple ... since these people made the switch to FireFox the Support calls to the NOC have droped to 1/10th of what they used to be ... why you ask again ... because Firefox successfully blocks 99% of the spyware issues the way MS should ... but doesn't.
So now back to my origional topic. IE7 is due out soon and is supposed to fix all of these problems. Convince me why I should tell my buddies to spend hundreds of thousnads to upgrade nearly 1,000 workstations to WinXP so these users can use IE7 .... I don't see that as a cost effective solution.
RE: Avant
by Earthquake McGoon - 6/6/05 7:18 PM In reply to: RE: Avant by ravensorrowYour point is well taken!! Why, indeed?
For speed, try K-Meleon
by jmd8421r - 6/3/05 11:07 AM In reply to: Firefox, Netscape, IE?? ***!!!! by alexcordero9I only us the IE for Windows updates now. Ever since I tried K-Meleon about a year ago, I just can't find anything I like as well. It loads faster than IE and perhaps has less security problems. I say, perhaps, because I have had not problems there with either K-Meleon or IE. I dropped IE because I could not save a picture file as a jpg. IE would always save it as jpeg and then not report it as being in sub-directory where I put it. You can tell how long I have been using personal computer because I said sub-directory. Folders belong in file cabinets.
context menus
by littlefaith - 6/3/05 11:50 AM In reply to: Firefox, Netscape, IE?? ***!!!! by alexcordero9I used Netscape for many years, and now I am using Firefox as well. I have IE installed, but only use it when absolutely necessary. I keep a personal website and blog, and spend a lot of time surfing for information. Besides the security issue, which is very serious indeed especially for casual users who never can figure out how to get rid of their adware once they get them, I do like the tabbed browsing and the better context menus in the Mozilla browsers. I like to right-click on things, and IE doesn't let me copy image location or open frame in new window/tab. It's always good to have an alternative, because though rare, there are still times when a page is bugged in IE and not in FF.
Do your part to be safe.
by wmtyrance - 6/3/05 2:17 PM In reply to: Firefox, Netscape, IE?? ***!!!! by alexcordero9I may be new to all this, but i thought security was up to the user. Keep your anti virus,adware and firewall programs up to date.
I don't believe any browser is safer than the next. Sure Firefox was safer when it came out, but not anymore.Hackers are having a field day with it now.
I myself use IE and the new netscape browser, and i like them both. I have only been using pc's for only 5 years and have got 2 viruses in all that time.
I really do believe sercurity is up to the user here. Sure it would help if the browser that you use is secure, but you have to do your part also.
I agree
by sheffins - 6/4/05 9:46 AM In reply to: Firefox, Netscape, IE?? ***!!!! by alexcordero9It's much ado about nothing - hardly significant with all the other issues today. Thanks for the bold stance.
There are differences
by Russ801 - 6/4/05 12:22 PM In reply to: Firefox, Netscape, IE?? ***!!!! by alexcordero9To my mind there are two major reasons that you should care as a web designer.
FF does not use ActiveX. Of all the security differences between IE and gecko (the engine in Firefox and netscape) that is the largest. ActiveX opens up your computer to another level of security problems.
The second is standards. FF does a much better job of adhereing to all the various standards like HTML, CSS, etc. Some FF advocates get very religious about it but you can get by with IE for most of your web pages as being good enough. That is if you stay away from MS only extensions to the web pages. If you don't use a MS product like frontpage to build you workproducts, you should be OK.
IMHO, there is no reason to build to the IE market. Most of what you want to do can be done with no apparent difference in any modern browser.
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