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Hi Tom - Chances are, you are dealing with a combination of several spyware infections, along with at least one (probably more) trojan horse(s). Spybot and Ad-Aware do quite well with spyware/adware but don't do much with viruses and trojan horses. The good news is that you can likely eradicate your daughters malware infection, and not spend a dime in doing so! Here are some steps to follow:
Step one: (if not done already) You need to turn on the computer's firewall. Xp2's firewall is an improvement over SP1 and quite easy to use. To enable the firewall, simply click the SP2 Windows security icon in your system tray (bottom right), then click recommendations, and click enable now. Don't see the security icon? Then click start, then My Network Places, then View Network Connections (upper right) then right click on the connection you are using. Click properties, then advanced, then settings and turn the firewall on. This will limit most inbound connections, and will make it easier to clean the computer. For a more powerful and user configurable firewall, check out Zone Alarm Free available at www.Zonelabs.com
Step 2: Turn off system restore. To do this, right click on the My Computer icon on your desktop and select properties. Select the system restore tab and put a check in the box that says turn off system restore on all drives, then click the apply button. The reason to do this is that system restore mirrors the current state of your system, and once your system is infected, system restore will restore the malware on each new boot up.
Step 3: Scan your system with a good online virus scan. My favorite is by Trend Micro, and is available at: http://housecall.trendmicro.com/.
Click the scan now, it's free button, tell them what country you live in, and be sure to click the auto clean button after the virus definitions have downloaded. The reason to do an online virus scan is because sometimes your own anti-virus software can become compromised when your system gets infected.
Step 4 A. If the Trend Micro scan cleans every infection it finds go to step five, else go to step 4 B.
Step 4 B: If the online scan couldn't delete some files, make careful note of their name AND their location. Reboot your computer into safe mode with networking, and navigate to the location of every file found and delete them. The reason that you couldn't delete the files in normal mode is that they were currently in use, and XP won't always let you delete a file that is in use - booting into safe mode allows only protected operating system files to run.Afterwards, it might be a good idea to run another virus scan in safe mode, just to be sure.
(To reboot into safe mode, restart your computer by clicking the start button, then turn off, then restart. Hit the F8 button repeatedly on boot up, and it should take you to a screen with several boot up
choices.)
Step 5: To ensure that you have cleaned everything - you need to hit the triple play of free anti-spyware software.
1: Run a full system scan with the latest version of Ad-Aware (available at
www.Lavasoftusa.com)
2. Run a full system scan with Spybot Search and Destroy (available at: www.Safer-Networking.org/en/index.html)
3. Run a full scan with CwShredder (available at:
http://www.Intermute.com/spysubtract/cwshredder_download.html) It is
critically important that you update each product before you scan as anti-spyware products have definitions that need to be updated just like anti-virus software does.
Step 6: Chances are, you should be clean by now. Now it's time for some preventative measures. First, go to www.windowsupdate.com and install the latest security patches (Microsoft has released several since Sp2) Then go to www.Javacoolsoftware.com and install the latest version of Spyware Blaster, which is a great tool for preventing Spyware from ever getting on your system. Finally, go to www.toolbar.google.com and install Google's free toolbar, which includes a pop-up blocker, among many other nifty tools.
And there you have it - a cleaned up and well protected system, and you didn't have to spend any money on software or a computer technician.
I very much hope this helps!
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Hi Tom
It is hard to tell. A person has to be really observant as to where they went and when they first noticed the pop up, the change of home page, so on, so forth. You did not say as to what browser type you are using (such as I.E. and what version, Mozilla, Firefox, Opera, etc). Most of the spyware/adware comes from downloads, you know those little freebie applications, they do not cost anything other then allowing the sponsor of the software to inserting their little "report back to sponsor" routine, so we can pop up an ad at the most inopportune times and some porno sites as well, I will bet.
I hate to say this, but this is a problem that one has to go to an area I fear to go to myself, that is the dreaded registry. But before you do that back up the registry, then identify the problem, that is find out what of the spyware it is. This is so that you can go to your favorite search engine and type in the identified culprit and get the registry removal instructions from a site that is set up for removing spyware. I used "spyware remove" to find a couple of sites listed below.
PC Hell: http://www.pchell.com/
And as strange as it may be Microsoft is a good source of advice: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/default.mspx
As a temporary stop gap measure you could put in an app that is called a Pop up stopper. I have used the software below myself and it works. The main object though is to remove the offending pop up's.
Panicware free Pop up stopper download:
http://www.panicware.com/product_downloads.html (but you have to hunt it down on the download page)
There is something else that I have a feeling about, is that your daughter does not have a firewall on her computer. ZoneLabs has a free firewall download (http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/catalog/products/sku_list_za.jsp?lid=dbtopnav_za). The reason I am suggesting this firewall is that if spyware tries to report back ZoneAlarm will give you the option to deny the software access to the net, deny it unless you know why it is trying to again access to the web.
I hate to say this but the best way to avoid having spyware/adware in the first place is not to download game apps or any kind of application unless two things are done:
Read closely the warnings, End user license or any other thing pertaining to the use of the software, what they (the software sponsor) can do with your computer.
Do I really need this software, am I willing to put up with the aggravation that might ensue?
And the third unwritten rule is; Only deal with downloads that you know is free of spyware/adware.
Hope this helps, Rick B.
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First, get rid of Spy Doctor, supplement Spybot and Ad-Aware, then follow up with a full antivirus scan, install a firewall program, and finally double-check to see if you have any spyware-loading applications.
To explain:
Check http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm for a list of products that claim to be anti-spyware, but are frequently part of the spyware problem. SpyDoctor is on this list, which is why I suggested you get rid of it.
Recent studies ( http://windowssecrets.com/050127/ -- go to "Anti-adware misses most malware" ) have shown that the Spybot/Ad-Aware combination only catch a little more than half of the spyware out there, which means you still have a near 50% chance of infestation.
What to supplement with? Microsoft's Anti-spyware (currently available for free download from Microsoft, but still a beta version), Webroot's Spy Sweeper (MSRP US$29.95, http://www.webroot.com/ ) and/or Sunbelt Software's CounterSpy (MSRP US$19.95). Another free application, "HijackThis" is available from http://www.tomcoyote.org/hjt/ . Reports indicate that a CounterSpy/HijackThis combination will catch 100% of spyware. However, CAUTION!! HijackThis is for advanced users only!
Read all documentation carefully before using it, and if you're uncomfortable about it, don't use it. Think of it as a surgical tool:
when used properly, it can cure a patient, but if used improperly, it can cause even more damage.
Now, spyware (and a close relative: adware) is not the only threat to your computer. I could go on and on about viruses, but suffice it here to say that you need a good antivirus program. My current favorite is AVG AntiVirus ( http://www.grisoft.com/doc/1 ) for two reasons: it's available for free, and more importantly, it works. For an initial scan, however, you may want to consider backing it up with a scan from a completely different vendor. Housecall by TrendMicro ( http://housecall.trendmicro.com/ ) offers a very powerful online scanner (and their retail anti-virus package is also top-rated).
The firewall supplied with Windows XP is insufficient; it only scans incoming data. But if your computer is already infected, the malware can "phone home" and download even more stuff. You need something that scans both incoming and outgoing traffic. For this, I recommend ZoneAlarm ( http://www.zonelabs.com/ ).
The question did not indicate how old the daughter is, but I'll assume that she's of the age that does not yet have the experience which grants wisdom in certain things, enjoys being social, and probably likes to share certain information, which may include file sharing. As such, she may entertain the thought of P2P (Peer-to-Peer) software.
This enables people to share files across the internet, downloading the files directly from each other. However, some software contains spyware. See http://www.benedelman.org/spyware/p2p/ for more information on this potential threat. P2P usage should be generally discouraged anyway. IM (Instant Messaging) software (such as AOL or MSN instant messengers) isn't completely safe either. Hackers seem to be concentrating on exploiting these to plant spyware on your computers. I'm not saying that you shouldn't use IM, but be careful, keep them up-to-date, and watch for security buletins from their respective makers.
As a final note, it's always a good idea to perform general maintenance on the computer: run Scandisk and Defrag on a regular basis (weekly to monthly), keep the above-mentioned tools up-to-date, and run Microsoft's Windows Update service on at least a monthly basis.
Good luck!!
Submitted by: Michael B. of Taylorsville, Utah, United States
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Tom,
Some of the most heinous spyware hide little programs that automatically start up with Windows when you boot up. You can manually go through your startup items using Windows' own tools, but if you have Spybot Search & Destroy, you may find the 'System Startup' tool far easier to use, and more informative! Here’s what to do:
1. Leave your infected computer unplugged from the cable modem.
2. Boot up the computer, and run Spybot S&D again. It will no doubt find spyware that reinstalled itself during the boot up. Allow Spybot to clean the infection by clicking on ‘Fix selected problems.’
3. If Spybot is not in Advanced Mode, switch to it (on the menu bar, click on ‘Mode,’ then ‘Advanced Mode’).
4. In the left-hand pane, click on ‘Tools,’ that is now displayed.
5. Click on ‘System Startup.’ This will open a display in the right pane of all the items that are currently set to start up with Windows.
6. If you do not see a yellow information pane on the far right, click on the button on the right edge of the window that has two left pointing arrows. You can now see any known details on each of the startup items as you click on them.
7. Starting at the top, click on each of the startup items in turn. The information pane will help you to determine what is a legitimate startup file, and what is not. If an item shows “No information available,” it may not necessarily be spyware. For example, IMONTRAY is a non-essential utility from Intel, that allows monitoring the operating conditions of an Intel mother-board. If you like it, leave it running – if not, simply uncheck the box. The file is not deleted, and you can choose to re-enable it by running through these steps again.
8. When you find an item that is definitely spyware, you can choose to uncheck it to prevent it from starting up, or you can delete it entirely by clicking on the ‘Delete’ icon.
9. If you run across an item that you just don’t know is spyware or not, go ahead and uncheck it. If it turns out to be for a program that you regularly use, you can always turn it back on. Note that most programs DO NOT need to be loaded at startup! You can always access them from your Programs menu, or from shortcuts. Typically, programs are loaded at startup that you want to have monitor your system or load a service you use (i.e., antivirus programs, MSN or Windows Messenger, etc.). Other programs simply load an icon onto your taskbar tray (next to your clock) so you can have yet another way to access the program – not only unnecessary, but also cluttering your taskbar and hogging your system resources. Turn off what you don’t use.
10. When done, plug your cable modem back in, and restart your computer. If you were successful, the scores of popups that you were seeing should be gone. Launch Spybot again, download the latest detection updates, and check for problems again to find even more spyware! ![]()
To help guard against malicious spyware, I would also recommend enabling Spybot’s Resident active blocking features. Click on ‘Tools,’ again (you must be in Advanced Mode). Then click on ‘Resident.’ Put checks in the boxes for SDHelper and TeaTimer. TeaTimer is especially useful to prevent malicious websites from making changes to your system registry. I use another freeware active blocking program called SpywareBlaster (recommended by Spybot, www.javacoolsoftware.com). The site is supported by donations, and you can also pay for automatic update subscriptions – or you can just run the program, and download the updates manually for free.
If you are using Internet Explorer as your web browser. Know that it is the most common browser, and therefore the one that has the most exploits written for it. Consider downloading Mozilla or Mozilla Firefox
(www.mozilla.org) or other 3rd party browser. You don't have to give up IE entirely (which you will still need for visiting Windows Updates, and some online purchasing sites), but you can use the new browser for most of your surfing. I love the Mozilla products for their use of Tabs - you can open web links in the same browser window, in tabs that you can click between.
Much better than cluttering your desktop with dozens of browser windows! You can even save entire collections of tabs in one bookmark - very useful if you are researching something, or are always visiting the same group of sites!
Finally, remember that you can not make yourself immune from spyware (short of canceling your internet access subscription)! You can only slow your rate of infection, minimize its damage, and clean it off regularly. I would recommend running Spybot and SpywareBlaster no less than once a month. I hope this advice helps!
Submitted by: Hung W. of Portland, OR
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Cleaning out hard drive after a mass infection from my experience is not easy; almost better to reformat and start all over. But I did help two people with such but it requires dropping down to DOS for the capability to delete some .exe's that Spybot and other such programs could not clear out of memory with even a reboot. One particular program would recreate itself within the registry at every boot so even a DOS delete did not get rid of the program. Only with a System Restore could I go back before she had downloaded the program to take the registry recreation out of the registry then I go to the offending .exe and finally delete it since it no longer had the registry to tell itself to remake itself.
To find the troublemakers I used Spybot only, that worked for me, though using other programs as well never hurts to double check. Once I had the ID of the .exes that the spy program identified, I wrote them down and I did not use Spybot to try to delete it since it can't do everything. Instead I went to the search option, making sure that for WindowsXP the hidden files are shown. That can be done through the Windows Explorer program, going to Tools then down to Folder Options (WinMe and 98 also). On the View Tab make sure all the display choices are checked and the Show hidden files and folders is dotted, then take away any checkmarks from the Hide choices. (You can always go back and put a checkmark back to hiding the system files when done). This will
cover any file from being hidden. With WindowsXP's search option go to
the All Files and Folders and when that box is open go to the More advanced options, clicking on that option to bring up more choices and make sure the Search hidden files and folders is checked. Then go looking for the .exes that the spyware programs have found and look each one up with the search option and once found highlight it and delete the program. The programs that you can't delete will leave you with other options.
You can try Safe Mode first by hitting F8 a few times during reboot at the boot screen right after the memory is checked and the hard drives are recognized, before the system boots itself into Windows. Once you get to the Boot Menu you can go to Safe Mode and once loaded find those .exes the same way and see if you can delete them from there. If not you'll have to go to DOS and see if you can delete. With WinMe and 98 that is easier by using a floppy boot disk to take you to a pure DOS state as you boot with the floppy. In your board's bios can you find the boot options, (there is no set place to look under, advance options from the setup menu is the more common place to find the boot options) Once there you can chance the first boot to a floppy or a CD, depending if you use WinMe, 98 or the CD option for XP. You can make all of the boot options to floppy or all to CD if you want to be sure you'll do nothing but boot where you want to go. You can always change back once finished. (This is also done from the boot screen by hitting the delete button or F1 key, depending on what the boot screen tells you how to enter setup). Once you are into a pure DOS screen it will leave you at the A:\. There you can type C:\ to go to your hard drive then type the CD command to go to the folders where the .exes are located. For
example: C:\Program Files\NNN\ is the path of a particular folder that contains the offending .exe. Once you are in that folder you can delete the .exe. Windows XP is a little tricker with having to boot using your WinXP CD, making sure the boot option is for the CDROM first if not all. Once XP boots up its setup program go to the second option by using the 'R' key. This will take a process to load up to the so call Restore configuration which is basically back to a pure DOS screen.
This will take you to the C:\ drive instead of the A drive, from the C:\ drive you can CD to the path you need to find the .exe location. Once there you can use the same commands to delete the .exe (either del or delete).
Of course when you boot up and the program recreates itself and starts all over again you can go to the registry and figure out how the program is telling itself to remake itself and delete those keys but this is beyond my experience so instead I went to System Restore and went back to a date that I knew before they had that trouble with the certain spyware and restored the registry back before the time of infection and got rid of that registry entry creating the problem. Then I went back to the search option and finding that recreated .exe, deleted it once and for all since it no longer had the registry to back it up and it wasn't being loaded anymore. The tricks they use are getting amazing. The only other option if you can't restore to that point of no infection is to reformat the hard drive and start over from scratch. (That's another quite a few paragraphs). The system restore can be considered first since it will clear out your registry but you will have to still go through the search and delete those .exe's afterwards since that will still be on the hard drive though powerless without the registry. I just delete them anyway to get rid of 'em. \
Afterwards I have updated to the newest Spybot that now offers browser protection before infection and still use Zone Alarm (that keeps popups from just going through the internet and finding an uncovered port, some do not need an .exe planted on the hard drive and Zone Alarm also tells me when a certain .exe is trying to access the internet that I don't want to access the internet). The best antivirus I have found is through CNET's recommendation is Trend Mirco since it also offers real time scanning and prevention. Using all three of these programs I feel more secure until of course they figure out to write over all of these. Least we can always reformat and zap them all.
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Tom,
Sometimes the spyware fixing software cannot fix all the problems it finds, for example DSO Exploit. For these, additional work, usually registry edits, will be required to be done manually.
here is the fix for "DSO Exploit"
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22dso+exploit%22&hl=en&lr=&selm=k%23N
pk74kEHA.2516%40cpmsftngxa10.phx.gbl&rnum=7
In severe cases it may be necessary to reformat the hard drive and reload Windows and all your apps. To facilitate this I recommend using a drive imaging software, such as PowerQuest Drive Image Pro. This way you can quickly and easily load a pristine image that contains all your OS and applications ( and anything else on the hard drive). You will also want to back up your data periodically, so you can easily put that back after restoring the disk image to the hard drive.
If you are really tired of battling spyware and viruses, you probably want to switch to Linux or the Mac OS, though the latter may require purchasing new harware.
Submitted by: Eric R.
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What you are experiencing has driven my business for the past six months, however, it is the type of problem that can make us fear just how time saving using the computer really is? The solution can really depend on how much time you want to spend. Many hours could be spent finding each one or you could do as we have for so many of our clients when coming to us for this problem. We locate all the data files and download to our server. In your case you might just back up on disk, CDrom, DVD, all the data files you wish to keep to be put back in when you're ready. Next, you need to have your operating disk ready to reinstall your operating system. Each install disk has its own way of reinstalling the operating system so be very cautious and read each option before proceeding. From XP Pro to XP Home to Win2000P to whatever operating system it may be there are certain questions to be answered to properly reinstall. If it asks if you wish to delete the partition, say yes and then change the number of megabytes by any number other than that which is stated. And if it asks if you want "NTFS" or "FAT 32" I would encourage you to make it "NTFS". After these decisions follow instructions carefully and you should be about an hour or two from success.
Now you will need all your applications (software programs) to reinstall, afterwhich, you can then copy and paste all your data files, folders, etc.
into My Documents or wherever you wish but keep it siimple and contained. By the way, if your drive is 2-3 years old, you had better think about your data dissolving without warning so better back up frequently because your drive is about to find its way to drive heaven. I know, because over the past twenty years of doing data recovery not one drive manufacturer shows up lasting longer than another. Some last two weeks and some two years and longer but how long is a guess. The many factors which affect hard drives are so varied there are no substantial reasons for each failure but some can be reasoned from location and electrical appliances such as air conditioners and refrigerators. This is another article, though, relating to electrical sags and spikes.
Submitted by: Steve K.
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Typically, I have found, when a computer is that severely infected with Spyware then the best bet is to backup the data, wipe out the hard drive and reload the system. In some cases this is not an option, especially if you do not have the original system disks or the disks for all of your software.
In this case, go to "Add/Remove" and remove any program that could be spyware. If you are unsure, check with http://www.spywareguide.com/product_list_full.php or another spyware listing website to check before uninstalling. And, if you feel that you are qualified, go to Start>Run>MSConfig, click on the startup tab and remove any programs that do not need to startup with your computer.
Then, try and download Microsoft AntiSpyware Beta version from www.giantantispyware.com, run several scans to see if you can eliminate additional spyware files. If MS AntiSpyware does not work, download Hijack This from http://www.tomcoyote.org/hjt/. This program logs every process running on your computer. It is very important that you show this log to a computer technician that can interpret the data and tell you exactly what processes to eliminate. One forum to post the log for feedback is www.annoyances.org, I have found this site to be particularly helpful. If your computer will not. allow you to get on the Internet to download these programs, you can download the install patch from another computer and install it from the CD-Rom drive.
It is also important to eliminate the possibility of viruses on the system. Most likely you are dealing with a combination of viruses (trojans) and spyware. A good source for scanning your computer online is www.antivirus.com which will redirect you to Trend Micros website. Click "scan your computer for free" and walk through the various screens to scan your computer for both viruses and security problems.
If a combination of all of these things still does not fix your computer, you have two choices; one, remove the hard drive (assuming this is a desktop computer) and install it as a slave drive in a clean computer, scan using the tools of the clean computer to hopefully wipe out the problem or two, back up your data and rebuild.
Make sure your daughter knows not to click on anything that says it is "free" ~ you will pay for it in spyware and viruses. Also, make sure she knows not to chat with anyone that she does not know. It is also helpful to set Instant Messenger so that it does not start each time your computer starts.
I hope this helps.
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Peaches D.
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Tom:
First of all, let me start by saying there is too many types of spyware to ensure that I am covering all the bases here, but I will try.
First of all, SpyBot, and SpyDoctor are not two of the better respected AS programs out there. Ad-Aware is good, but not the end all of spyware. Microsoft
AntiSpyware (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=321cd7a2-6a57-4c57-a8bd-dbf62eda9671&displaylang=en) is actually one of the better ones out there right now. This was formerly known as Giant Antispyware, and it was one of the better ones (more info from http://www.giantcompany.com/)
However, even combining the efforts of Ad-Aware and the Microsoft AS it won't get rid of it all so now it's time to get a little more technical.
Open up MSConfig by clicking Start > Run, type MSConfig and click the ok button. Click the startup tab in the window that opens and un-check anything that doesn't look familiar. Please note that AntiVirus software, as well as Audio and Video drivers may load from here so be careful. This will
(hopefully) disable the startup of a lot of the spyware. Also note that if need be, running the MS Antispyware, and Ad-Aware in safe mode will often remove much more spyware then running windows in normal mode. If you're unsure how to start into safe mode see this.
http://www.pchell.com/support/safemode.shtml
Now assuming it's clean (or noticeably cleaner) we should make sure to remove programs that are famous for spyware/ad-ware distribution.
- Remove Kazaa/Morpheus/Grokster and other P2P programs as they often have security holes that spyware will enter through.
- Stop using Internet Explorer, Try Firefox, Mozilla, or Opera instead.
- Remove any "search helpers" or toolbars for Internet Explorer since these are always spyware. (Note: Google Bar, and MSN Toolbar are the ONLY
exceptions) These can often be removed from Add/remove programs in control panel or by removing "BHO" objects in MS Antispyware
These tips should get you a lot closer to a clean system. Other things to try is to continue to remove things from startup using MSConfig, but while in safe mode, and do a full scan while you're there. Sometimes as a spyware program is shutting down (with windows) it makes sure that it's going to start up next time, it can't do this in safe mode usually.
For a deeper comparison of two dozen different Anti-Spyware programs check out a comparison from spyware warrior at http://spywarewarrior.com/asw-test-guide.htm
The also have a list of some of the better AntiSpyware programs available on their site. http://spywarewarrior.com/asw-features.htm
Hope this Helps
Shawn
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Tom,
Welcome to Capitalism 101....the Internet.
It appears that you have some adware on your daughter's machine that connects to a number of sites every day, whereupon the author gets a fraction of a cent for every connection. A fraction of a cent isn't much but it adds up.
So, how to eradicate it. Spybot Search & Destroy and AdAware are both good programs and, used together can eradicate as much as 80% of known spyware and adware. However, you also mentioned that you use Spy Doctor. Spy Doctor is listed on the Spyware Warrior list of Rogue/Suspect Anti-Spyware Products list (http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm). You may wish to consult the list and perhaps uninstall it.
Your next best bet is HijackThis (http://www.majorgeeks.com/download3155.html). It's a free download and quick install that will analyze your computer and display a list of installed software. Don't take it upon yourself to analyze the list, leave that to the experts. HijackThis is a dangerous tool in the wrong hands. Save the list and post it to one of the many free HijackThis log analysis blogs on the web. Lockergnome (http://www.lockergnome.com/) is a good one but there are a number of others. Here's a perfect opportunity to let the power of the Internet combined with the altruism of true geeks help to rid, or at least thwart one of the worst type of parisites.
Let me pre-empt your next question and make a suggestion or two regarding how to prevent infection next time. First, use the 'Immunize this computer' option in Spybot. It blocks over a thousand known adware sites. Second, install the free Microsoft Windows Anti-Spyware Beta (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=321cd7a2-6a57-4c57-a8bd-dbf62eda9671&displaylang=en). It's contains a very good spyware blocker. Third, install a toolbar with a popup blocker like the Google Toolbar (http://toolbar.google.com/?promo=mor-tb-en). It can effectively block the few remaining popups on the Internet. Lastly, it would be easy to tell you to never install any free downloaded software or visit any suspicious web sites but that's impractical and just plain boring. So, tell your daughter that, whenever she gets a popup asking to install something, don't click yes, don't click no, instead, close the dialog by clicking on the X in the upper right corner.
Good luck and don't blame your daughter, it happens to the best of us. ![]()
Submitted by: Don P
Tom didn't say what kind of "pop-ups" these were. The number and frequency of them tells us that this is most likely the same old MESSENGER SERVICE problem.
Messenger is a service that runs all the time and is rife with opportunity for abuse. You don't need it; it's for client/server communication that 99.99 percent of the people never need. It's not MSN Messenger, by the way.
To stop the pop-ups once and for all, go into Start / Programs / Administrative Tools / Services (I have no idea how to get here if you're using the infantile default XP UI). Find Messenger and disable it by right-clicking on it and setting its startup type to "disabled." You won't be disabling any necessary services.
Pop-ups will be gone.
I think as soon as one install MS Antispyware.....of the first few pop-ups to actually secure our PC, Antispyware contains one such window too that tells us exactly what francis wrote-off.
Clearly MS itself is not too against its own default produts.
My Choice too would be SPYBOT+SPYWAREBLASTER, MS Antispyware coupled with most importantly ZoneLabs Firewall.
I work on internet for long durations but thankfully spyware, adware & other such problems are passe for me....all thanks to the above combination I use.
Perhaps it could be of use to others too.
Ankit
If I'm asking a question that has already been addressed, I'm sorry. I just don't want to read all 230+ replies on this thread. lol
My problem is this, my step-daughter somehow got antivirus 2010 on our laptop. I found a program to remove it, no problems at all. The next time she booted the computer, (no I do not know what sites she visited on the 'Net) the laptop froze up, forcing her to do a manual shutdown.
After the restart, the laptop won't open any virus scan sites, won't let any antivirus programs update, and won't allow even housecall to load so we can do an online scan. I can't reinstall the original malware removal application (Malwarebytes Antimalware) or install anything else on the laptop. Please help!
Make a new post in the right forum so your post won't get buried in this one. Bob
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Tom,
To cover the basics. Everyone that is connecting to the Internet, whether they have a Hi-speed connection or are using dial-up, should have three things.
1. Firewall
2. Antivirus
3. Anti-Spyware
It sounds as if something is set to run at bootup in your computers registry. An easy way to see what is set to bootup in the registry is to run Windows XP's msconfig tool. From the start menu choose run and type in msconfig click OK. This tool has a tabbed interface across the top. Spyware and Adware can install itself as a service or reinstall itself by a registry entry.
Click on the service tab. This lists all of the running services on your computer. There is a check box at the bottom that says "Hide All Microsoft Services". Check it. Everything left behind on the screen is add-on software installed by you or your PC manufacturer and possibly spyware. Here is where Google becomes your friend. Look up any unrecognizable items to determine if it is spyware. You can disable things here. If disabling one of these items clears up your pop-up problem, further research has to be done to determine if there is a manual way to remove the spyware/adware causing the problem.
The Startup tab lets you disable any applications in the registry.
Again Google is your friend. You can search on any of the applications to see if they are spyware or adware. These items can then be disabled.
Another way to determine what is downloading the pop-up ads would be run netstat with the -b option. From the start menu choose run. Type cmd and click OK. From the command line type netstat -b and hit enter. This should list all of your computers active connections and the name of application that is connecting. You can then use Google to lookup any unusual items for cleanup.
I noticed that you didn't mention Microsoft's Anti-spyware tool. I've used the ones that you mentioned as well as the Microsoft tool and can recommend it as being very good.
Prevention. I run alternate browsers (Mozilla's Firefox) on all of my home computers. Internet Explorer is the primary target of Spyware/Adware writers. A good software firewall like ZoneAlarm from Zonelabs is helpful because any new spyware that tries to access the Internet has to be manually allowed. The program logs then become a tool to find spyware hidden on your system for cleanup.
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Successful in spite of myself!
Submitted by: David B.
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Tom,
As a college student i see computers in my hall riddled with spyware. As one of the only computer literate person on my hall my friends come to me. while ad-aware is a great product ( i use it
myself) it can't get everything. Especially since some computers actually come with adaware from the manufacture built in.
The best bet to get rid of as much spyware as possible is to back up your data on a dvd or cd's or external hard drive. Then using the Windows CD that either came with your computer or you bought for it and reinstall it on your hard drive, getting rid of the origional installiation.
When you reinstall windows download from windows update right away then i would suggest to reinstall your anti virus and firewall.
if you don't have either AVG free antivirus and zonealarm are great free choices. I would then download microsoft antispyware as it also prevents spyware in future cases. Also adaware is my personal favorite. I like to use two diffrent antispyware so as to catch as much spyware as possible.
Also whenthis is done in the future read end user agreements and all windows when installing programs as they actually tell you when they are downloading extra programs. Don't click on links that you don't know where to go, and do not download from unknown or untrusted sites.
I can't swear that you won't get spyware as programers are getting smarter as they design it. I use these programs and have not had a pop up in about a year and a half.
Submitted by: Mr. Jan O.
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First, I would try to boot up in safe mode wihout the network connection (tap F5 while booting) and then running Spybot Search & Destroy or purchasing and running a program called iClean. Fix all of the problems that are found (there is a recovery tool in SpyBot just incase you remove something you need).
After running a spywre remover, verify that there aren't any unnecessary programs still installed on your computer. To do this, open the Control Panel and go to Add/Remove Programs. Look for programs that you didn't install, as well as any freeware programs such as downloading programs (like Kazaa) and remove them.
At this point, you can run SpyBot again, but it isn't necessary.
Next, you will want to prevent anything that remains on your system from starting up when Windows starts.
You may need to reboot in normal mode for this (disconnect your cable modem). From the start menu, open the run command and type in "msconfig" (without the quotes). A windows application will open. Click on the tab that says "StartUp" and uncheck any odd-looking programs. Things you will want to make sure are checked are applications related to your anti-virus software, the windows registry, MS Office startup, task manager, system tray, etc. Double-check the location of the file as well. (Not everything in the Windows folder is safe to start) Click "OK" when finished and restart your system.
After you reboot, launch your anti-virus program and check for viruses. Repair any infected files.
Now, try plugging your modem back in and surfing the web. If you are still faced with pop-ups, download either the "Google Toolbar" or a program called "Pop-up Stopper" by Panicware (available at downloads.com). You can even switch browsers, Mozilla Firefox is the best choice, as it has built in features that Internet Explorer does not have.
Also, be sure you are up to date with any Windows Updates.
Submitted by: Ravi
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Hi,
My friend's computer got 300 spyware and viruses, and after running many spyware removal programs and antivirus programs it was still buggy so I ran Security Task Manager and removed anything at 100% rating. That resolved the problem.
The trial version can be downloaded at this link:
http://www.download.com/Security-Task-Manager/3000-2094_4-10361717.html?tag=lst-0-1
Run the program and it will show all the processes running on your computer and their rating. In my experience anything with 100% rating should be removed. When you hit the Remove button in the top menu it will ask you whether you want to quarantine - if you are not sure then quarantine rather than remove as you have the choice of undoing any changes. If that resolves the problem then hit the Quarantine button in the top menu to open up the Quarantine folder and delete the program. If you have several programs at 100% you can quarantine them one at a time ito see which one is giving the problem.
Otherwise:
Try running hijackthis download the freeware here:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download3155.html
and post the log on the following website (you will have to register as a member, no fees):
http://www.d-a-l.com/help/forumdisplay.php?f=8
The members there are pretty helpful - usually reply in a day or two.
Hope this helps.
Submitted by: Kurma C.
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First off, re-run your anti-spyware programs while the system is in safe mode as opposed to normal operation. This will prevent certain services from running that may be related to the afore-mentioned spy-ware programs. In a lot of instances, anti-spyware programs are not capable of deleting the offensive program if it has attached itself to some service that is running. Also, make sure that you turn OFF system restore before you run the anti-spyware programs. In this case, it could work against you and actually put back the very items you just removed. Finally, since it is an XP machine, if you can isolate WHEN the problem started, there is always the option of doing a system restore based on some point in the past before the problem started. This will not cause you to lose any data, but it should resolve your problem. Microsoft has a new beta spyware program available from their website that is very good. It runs in the background like Spybots vers. 1.3 Tea Timer program and actually notifies you when there is some program trying to change something in your OS.
Hope this helps,
Submitted by: Reginole T. of Southfield, MI
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Tom,
Spyware is difficult to completely removed once it has taken control. However I've had great luck with a program called spy sweeper you can do to their site http://www.webroot.com/products/spysweeper?rc=1110&ac=D01 and get a free scan. If it finds your problem I recommend you buy it.
Of course if this does not work, there are a couple of things you can do. For starters go to Control panel, add and remove then scan the list for unknown programs that may be the culprit. Please be careful not to delete something you may need. After scanning for unwanted programs and deleting them the problem should go away. If not, then in an effort to save time, a fresh install of the Windows XP may be faster in the end. Just remember to back up your data before starting and do not replace this data until your new installation of Win Xp has been updated with SP2 and all new security releases.
Hope this helps
Submitted by: Armando
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First of all I recommend using HitmanPro, you can download it at http://www.hitmanpro.nl It will remove about all the malware on your pc (except for IE
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Second, you should try using Firefox of Opera, since these browsers don't suffer the amount of spy- and adware IE is.
Third, don't download anything you don't trust. Use gmail, because of it's use to ease and sophisticated spam filter.
And last of all: keep your software and knowledge up to date!
Kind Regards,
Submitted by: Bram E.
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Hi,
I had that problem with spyware some time back too. I tried doing everything you did, even uninstalling whatever suspicious software from the control panel, but there were always a few I couldn´t do anything about. They were probably embedded in my registry or something. And they were acting as a door jam, keeping my system open to yet more spyware.
Finally, frustrated, I took the brutal and painful option of reformatting my hard drive, then installing anti-spyware & pop-up blockers before anything else. Also, I´ve set IE not to accept any cookies or anything from any server without my explicit permission. Troublesome? Yes. But less troublesome than pop-ups and spyware slowing you down.
The problem is if the spyware was already there before you installed anti-spyware, then more than likely it has some pretty good "survival mechanism". So its much easier to prevent it from installing itself than trying to get rid of it. Like a bad ex.
If other users on your computer use file-swapping or mp3 download software (like the kazza of old) or blindly accept cookies from strange websites, or opening strange e-mail or webmail, then your spyware problem may just occur again. Anti-spyware cannot prevent you from explicitly accepting spyware into your system.
Now, after educating my family members and whoever may want to use my computer against "dangerous" internet use, I have absolutely no problems with spyware or pop-ups.
Submitted by: Stewart A.
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Sounds like the spyware problem is more serious than Tom may have thought. While Ad Aware and Spybot are good programs, there are other “heavy-duty” programs that may be of great help in cases like this. I would recommend downloading and running Hijack This, a program that will detect and display all the programs and processes that are running on the computer at the time. Hijack This will produce a detailed list with an empty checkbox next to every individual program or process it detects. From the checklist, the user must determine which items are good and which are bad. The bad items (including spyware-related ones) can then be eliminated by placing a check in their empty boxes, and then clicking on the “Fix checked” button. It isn’t always easy to distinguish between the good and the bad in this list, but there is another helpful tool to be used with Hijack This. By saving the checklist as a text file (using the “Save log” button), the user can then access a site at the following address: http://www.hijackthis.de/index.php, paste the saved log file into the open window, and click on the “Analyze” button below the window to have the list evaluated. Resulting entries for each line from the Hijack This log file will tell the user whether they are good, questionable, or bad. From there, the user simply goes back to the log file, checks off the bad items, and removes them.
Submitted by: Daniel N.
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Spyware is becoming a bigger problem all the time but the tools to take care of them are easily available. You've started on the right track using Spybot and Adaware but you might also try Microsoft's Spyware removal tool that is available now. I have used to to removed spyware that was not removed by Spybot or Adaware. The more tools you use the better your results will be. You might also try running these tools in Safe mode to prevent them from loading into Windows at startup.
Keep in mind that no spyware is 100% effective and that the only way to remove all spyware is to format and reinstall Windows.
Also, prevention is the best course of action for the future. Make sure your daughter does not install file sharing programs or other free software that contains spyware. She should also be careful about the sites that she visits. Visiting reputable sites will also help prevent the worst spyware from getting installed on her system.
CNET's website, www.download.com is a great site for evaluating software because if gives information about specific software and whether it contains adware.
Switching to Mozilla Firefox should also help to decrease her chances of getting Spyware in the future.
Everyone gets spyware but being cautious can go a long way to preventing these problems.
Submitted by: Shalin K.
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He should do what we all have to do from time to time. Copy files his daughter wants to keep to another media, reformat the drive, and install all programs from scratch.
Then he should install a good antivirus program. I like Norton or Trend personally, but most of them are good. I also use Panda's or Trend's online scanners once in a while to make sure everything is removed.
Then he should install the free version of Zonealarm and turn off XP's firewall since it may conflict with Zonealarm. I believe Zonealarm is better at the moment.
After that again he should install free versions of Adaware and Hijack this. Possibly also the free version of X-cleaner. All of these should be run several times a week. I like Hijack this because it enables me to remove stuff that Adaware and other programs cant remove.
Then he should consider a good antispyware program like we Antispy, Webroot or the new free antispyprogram from Microsoft. I used it before Microsoft bought it, and it was OK. Then I paid for Antispy which is a bit slow, but very easy to use.
The the easy way.
Run the virusprogram, Adaware and Spybot. Then download and install Hijack this. Run Hijack this and look for suspicious programs that seems to be affecting Internet Explorer. Remove these. You may remove one or two valid programs, but he could install these again. The clue is to remove popup programs that starts when booting up, and you can often find these with Hijack this.
You might also want to install System Mechanic which let view all the bootable programs, and turn them off (not remove). After a few trial and errors you can find the culprits and remove them for good.
I have got rid of quite a few nasty programs with Hijack this, but it require some restraint so you dont remove too many valid programs. You evoid that problem with System Mechanic since you can turn programs off, test the effect, and then turn them on again or remove them if they were bad.
Submitted by: Thore S. of Arendal,Norway
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Hello,
First I suggest you go to "Control Panel" open up "Internet Options" and delete both "Cookies & Files"
While still in "Internet Options" make sure to check what "Security Level" your system is set to.
I would also recommend a few other utilities I use here would help to "muzzle" spyware.
Check out "MailWasher" http://www.firetrust.com/home/ this will allow you to block and bounce and delete unwanted emails.
I use "WinPatrol" http://www.winpatrol.com/ which if loaded in startup will keep a very close check on your system about any changes that will be affecting your system coming in from the outside.
Finally suggest you use "Sygate Personal Firewall" http://smb.sygate.com/products/spf_standard.htm
Hope this might help you out a bit?
Submitted by: John
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Dear Tom,
The intrusion is blocked at different level of communicaition. Also, getting your self registered with some site which honours not the privicy, your personal information is available to many crooks. Here are a few things which might help you take your control back.
1. Kindly try to be specific and concerned about the privacy policy of the company you leave your private information with. Better yet practice control over what kind of information can be delivered and what can be not. The information which is optional needs not neccessarily be given until and unless you can evaluate the concequences to a reasonable degree.
2. Due to the bad design of certain operating systems, browsers and communication protocols, different programs can be installed on your machine which communicate with their parent site when ever you go online. Use a good firewall to control any unauthorized access to and from the internet. I personally recommend Zone Alarm. They have a free version which works quite ok.
3. Use a better browser, e-mail application and messinger program. I personally recommend you to try FireFox and Thunderbird. These are open source applications and are free. Firefox blocks any popups originating on their own from a site.
4. Internet is your gateway to the information but it can be a gateway to your machine for the virus programs. So, use a good anti virus program to protect against the ever strengthening threat of these destructive applications. I reccommend you to use AVG antivirus. It is free for personal use. Also, make a schedule for your AntiVirus application for an automatic complete machine scan once in a week.
5. A good education of the children and discussing these issues with them is also necessary, so as to prepare them and making them aware of the dangers of identity theft, data-damage, wastage of precious time.
Make it a point that you will not register with any sites which try to open popups without clicking any link. Ask your children to discuss it with you or with mama if they can register with any site they liked on the net or not.
In short, its like protecting your home from intrusion - locking the main door, the windows and using some sort of intrusion detection is a lot more safer than using the best burgler alarm, the best motion detectors but leaving the main door open for everybody.
Hope this can help.
Best wishes.
Submitted by: Irfan T.
I recently had a malware program that wouldn't go away.
Get rid of any peer-to-peer programs such as Kaaza, Warez or any music download programs. Reboot and run all your spyware/adware and antivirus (don't forget to update them first). On a young persons computer, these kinds of programs are usually the culprits. It was the problem with my daughters machine and once the program is gone, the malware will disappear after a good cleaning.
For a good peer-to-peer program try BearShare Lite. I use it and have had no problems with it. It doesn't mess with the firewall, antivirus or the anit-spyware/malware programs.
Good Luck!
I'm a PC Tech. I have just wandered through most of these answers but still haven't seen the one I use most listed. WIPE THE DRIVE and start FRESH. As many others have said these type programs can take hours or even DAYS to kill.
If a machine has more than 5 or 6 major spys on it AFTER I run CounterSpy, I'll make a decision on if it might be faster to just wipe the drive and do a fresh install of the OS.
If so I back any important data off to an external HD. Do a clean install of the OS. Then BEFORE the machine goes back on the 'net I'll install SpyBot, MS Antispyware and SpyWare Blaster (all free apps). If the customer wants to pay for an app I like CounterSpy. THEN I put the machine back on the 'net and IMMEDIATELY update all the anti-spy apps and do Windows updates.
This has proven to be a VERY quick and effective way for me to get the customer back on line with a fresh protected machine.
But HEY,,,, that's just ME!
Bruce
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I have found a fairly simple solution to resistant spy ware and pop ups. First disconnect from the Internet and from your power source. Be sure that all power is off for ten minutes.
While you wait for all traces of electrical activity to cease, load up a 12 gauge shotgun with pellets that are anything from BB to Triple OO Buck.
Fire shots through the case so that the Motherboard, processor chip, RAM, and especially the Hard Drive (s) are totally obliterated.
If you are unsure of the damage, try another shot from another angle. Be careful because sometimes a badly wounded pop-up will charge at you and try to inflict more frustration before it dies.
Remove what is left to the garage-not the curb! Tell the Police when they arrive that you didn't hear anything and maybe it was just engine back fires.
I hope this helps. It worked for me and I like to help people with their problems.
JJW
Submitted by: Jim W.
I am pleased to report that a Kalashnikov works very well - you just need more shots to make sure you have gone through everything. (Don't fire down through your PC if there is anyone on the floor below.)
I have found that by dropping the case and contents from a very tall building, then using a steam roller, run over the case a few times. Result pop-ups are totally removed.
Now that is a sure fire way to solve any spyware,adware or even a major freeze problem Jim
roflmaoooooooo
I agree with you. If one doesn't have internet it works as well ... Mike
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