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MP3 players: iPod Classic VS. Zune 80
iPod Classic VS. Zune 80
by headbusta27 - 12/3/07 7:52 AMIn my opinion the zune is the way to go for all non-mac users. Better and Big Screen, just as cool interface, radio, wireless syncing. All of these are things that are great about the zune and missing on the iPod. GO ZUNE!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: iPod Classic VS. Zune 80
by NPGMBR - 12/3/07 8:09 AM In reply to: iPod Classic VS. Zune 80 by headbusta27Never owned an iPod but just about every other person I know does. I chose the new Zune 80 because it was different and it meant I didn't have the exact same thing as millions of other people. It's the best player I've owned to date and Marketplace and Social make add some pretty nice features as well but never having owned an iPod I can't really compare the two.
Ties suck
by madcow06 - 12/3/07 8:22 AM In reply to: Re: iPod Classic VS. Zune 80 by NPGMBRI was dissapointed to see that zune vs. ipod review ended up in a draw, what a waste of time if you ask me. That seems to conveniently happen a lot on cnet between two very popular items. Apparently don't like to upset anybody.
Scores weren't planned :)
by Josh.Lowensohn
- 12/3/07 9:02 AM
In reply to: Ties suck by madcow06
Hey madcow06,
The scores for the prize fight were done independent of one another, and there was no consensus before submission from all of the judges. Believe me when I tell you, we're all for upsetting people.
4-1 is a draw?
by rvikul - 12/3/07 9:52 AM In reply to: Scores weren't planned :) by Josh.Lowensohn
I dont get it. Yes, the total points are equal but the Zune won 4 out of 5 rounds. If you call that a draw, it seems very questionable.
How the scoring works
by Josh.Lowensohn - 12/3/07 11:44 AM
In reply to: 4-1 is a draw? by rvikul
The rounds are not meant to decide the match--it's the final score. The rounds are meant to let you know at a glance which device "won" in that specific category by having a higher score than the other--which again was decided by three different people with no consensus or collaboration.
Scoring Explanation
by jcmorganjr - 12/3/07 12:49 PM In reply to: How the scoring works by Josh.Lowensohn
So if there were 25 catagories and Zune won 24 by one point a piece but lost one by 25 to 0 the Ipod would have won. Talk about bias !
Bias is different
by Josh.Lowensohn - 12/3/07 3:07 PM
In reply to: Scoring Explanation by jcmorganjr
To have bias means you're prejudice towards a certain product.
Inherently we as editors have feelings regarding any product or service, but in the case of a prize fight, you've got three different editors with different opinions who have evaluated something in several different categories as objectively as possible. The final score is then made up all three collectively--not just one person.
That being said, if you find a quibble on a certain score, that is worth getting worked up about. In terms of the scoring, this prize fight falls in line with all previous prizefights, and differs from the actual CNET Editorial process in that it uses a different scale and there are no labs tests.
Maybe not biased but ignorant?
by gr00vy0ne - 12/3/07 5:14 PM In reply to: Bias is different by Josh.Lowensohn
In terms of compatibility, you missed a huge sore point for iPod owners. iPod games that you previously purchased are not compatible with the new devices. Also, don't forget the problem with the iPod video cables that no longer work with the new devices. So, to be fair, i'd say you'd have to take away at least one point (across the board) for that. It is a serious issue and one that should not be ignored.
Upset no one, upset everyone
by pbabida - 12/3/07 5:22 PM In reply to: Maybe not biased but ignorant? by gr00vy0neMy 4G ipod gave up the ghost this morning on the drive to work so I was quite excited when I saw the 'prizefight' article link--I'm deciding between the ipod Classic and the Zune80 since I'm the kind of person that like to carry everything with me.
What a waste of time! The result really smells of 'not wanting to bite the hand that feeds you'. Then again since it's both Apple and Microsoft, does that make it 'hands'?
-pbabida
common guys, it was fair.
by bigstax91 - 12/5/07 11:45 AM In reply to: Upset no one, upset everyone by pbabidaAs a zune owner, I have nothing against Apple (i own an imac) and I like both the ipod and zune. Just because it ended in a tie you guys claim it is rigged? common guys. They both have their pluses, it comes down to what you personally want so you should just make your own opinion as to what you want to buy. I can see why they were upset about the zune not having mac support, I am too. Seemed like they did their best to make a fair review so you guys should lay off and be happy they even spent the time to make one.
Zune 80 GB or Ipod Classic 80 GB?
by Azn13oi - 6/30/08 10:45 PM In reply to: Upset no one, upset everyone by pbabidaI've been trying to decide on whether I would want a Zune or a Ipod? any feedback?
go for the zune
by davisangel143 - 11/19/08 6:49 AM In reply to: Zune 80 GB or Ipod Classic 80 GB? by Azn13oiI work at a major electronics retail store (conspicuously avoiding implications in association with my company since this is my personal perspective), and as a salesperson, I am most concerned with the function of the device for the user as well as it's longevity. Frankly, I think the ipods are a big scam, and when I say "the ipods" I DO MEAN EVERY SINGLE THING ABOUT THEM! I don't like the average life of the ipod (this is strictly based on the general use of my customers). I don't like the fact that you have to convert formats. I don't like that you can't sync with more than one computer. I don't like that my customers are constantly having to browse through hundereds of ipod accessories that look the same and perform the same function, but are not compatible with THIER particular model. I don't like that every time Apple updates their models, EVERYTHING YOU OWN (your ipod, your accessories, your warranty, and at times even your music) must be thrown away, updated, and/or repurchased. I don't like that the battery has a shorter life span (and conveniently for Apple, can't be removed/replaced by consumers), and the touch functions (be it on the iTouch or on any of the heat-based sensored scroll pads) commonly give out. I don't like that Apple tracks their products for their own information, but won't help you find it if it is lost or stolen. All of this spells more money for my customers, and I think it's just a ploy by Apple to rake in more cash...Trust me, just go with the Zune. If you DON'T trust me about this issue, read through the complaints page listed on this website-http://www.consumeraffairs.com/computers/apple_ipod.html. (I found it while doing research for a class that I'm in, and yes, I'm playing devil's advocate against Apple products) My worst concern of all is that while reading through these consumer posts, several people convey the same message of resentment toward Apple's customer service when trying to seek help with their $50-$350 products. "Never an apology", one consumer said.
What?
by jay.butler - 11/19/08 7:56 AM In reply to: go for the zune by davisangel143<<I don't like the fact that you have to convert formats.>>
Why would you have to convert MP3s? iPods play them.
<<I don't like that you can't sync with more than one computer.>>
How many people would do this anyhow? True, it might be a nice feature, but is it really necessary.
<<having to browse through hundereds of ipod accessories>>
There are a lot of accessories, but I have never had any issues finding which one go with my model. Most of the differences are attributable to the form factor changes. But, over the life cycle of a product line, some things do change. Some changes appear arbitrary, but some are done to move the products capability forward (e.g., replacing the Firewire port with the dock connector).
The Zune has few accessories. But, the Zune product has been on the market for far less time as well (and it never sold anywhere near the same number of units as iPod).
In response to j.butler
by davisangel143 - 11/19/08 9:47 AM In reply to: go for the zune by davisangel143<<Why would you have to convert MP3s? iPods play them.>>
Several people, in dealing with ipods have had to convert their formats because they will not play them. "You know that iPods play music, but that doesn't mean that every type of music file will play on your iPod or in iTunes. Same goes for iPods that can display images or play videos." - Support.Apple.com (http://support.apple.com/kb/TA38530?viewlocale=en_US)
Whereas Windows Media Player supports all of the following:
"Windows Media formats File name extensions: .asf, .asx, .avi, .wav, .wax, .wma, .wm, .wmv
Note Windows Media Player versions 6.4 and later support .wmv files.
• Moving Pictures Experts Group (MPEG) File name extensions: m3u, mp2v, .mpg, .mpeg, .m1v, .mp2, .mp3, .mpa, .mpe, mpv2
• Musical Instrument Digital Interface (MIDI) File name extensions: .mid, midi, .rmi
• Apple QuickTime, Macintosh AIFF Resource File name extensions: .qt, .aif, .aifc, .aiff, .mov
• Unix File name extensions: .au, .snd" - Support.Microsoft.com (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/234019)
<<How many people would do this anyhow? True, it might be a nice feature, but is it really necessary.>>
This becomes a problem when your computer crashes, catches a virus, or just breaks and you loose that particular computer with which you have registered your ipod. When you purchase an ipod, you actually register it and name the relationship so that it may recognize your computer. Unfortunately, I have had MORE THAN A FEW customers that have had something sad happen to their pc or mac and no longer have access to it. My customers are usually happy that they still have their precious media on thier ipod until they realize that if they try and add to it from a friend's computer because they don't have theirs, they can't. The ipod displays a message basically saying, "That's NOT the computer I made friends with, and if you want me to make a new friend, you have to empty me and start over." This wouldn't be such a problem if the same situation didn't apply to purchasing a new computer to replace their old. They never have the access to move files or back them up to perhaps another computer they have at home for just such an unfortunate incident. And by the way, if there happens to be any malfunction in the ipod, the customer may send it back to Apple only to find that the best solution Apple has for solving freezes, arbitrary errors and erasing of media is deletion and a reset. This spells the death of thousands of songs, pics, and movies that may or may not be available anymore.
<<There are a lot of accessories, but I have never had any issues finding which one go with my model. Most of the differences are attributable to the form factor changes. But, over the life cycle of a product line, some things do change. Some changes appear arbitrary, but some are done to move the products capability forward (e.g., replacing the Firewire port with the dock connector).>>
This issue is simply one of convenience and money. For instance, let's say you purchased a $179 Altec Lansing docking station for your ipod nano (1st generation), and you're excited to get a new iPhone and use your docking station. You get your new $299 16GB iPhone home only to find that your docking station doesn't support the iPhone. Those kinds of things that I see everyday at work with things like docking stations and FM transmitters (which the ipod didn't bother to include) just irritate my customers, and my customers and I seem to agree that it's too much money to waste on compatibility.
<<The Zune has few accessories. But, the Zune product has been on the market for far less time as well (and it never sold anywhere near the same number of units as iPod).>>
I only thing that the Zune has fewer accessories because it needs fewer. What else do you need? A case? There are cases. An FM transmitter? It has one. A voice recorder? It has one. Docking station/radio or portable speakers? Those are on the shelves at your local electronics retailer. Do you really need anything else? As for the comment about Zunes in particular - it's not that I favor Zunes so much as I favor any other non-Apple mp3 player. There's Sansa, there's Sony, there's Zune. I actually have a Korean made mp3 player that has been doing well for me for 4 years now. It's a one by one inch cube, their customer service is great, and it's practically indistructible (I'm clumsy and have stepped on and dropped it before).
As to the number sold (LOL) I've never been into fads and popularity, so of course when I see 14-yr-olds coming in for a $300 iTouch because their friends have it, I'm gonna say it sells because it's in!
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