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Oil Cooling?
by canyonnehastings - 5/29/09 8:08 PMSo this thread is talking about an Xbox 360, but I consider its hardware very similiar to a PC's, so that's why I put it here.
My 360 is suffering from the infamous "Ring of Death" (RROD) and it's a result of overheating.
I am going to try and solve this problem via oil cooling.
For those unfamiliar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwdCn1nlAkA
Questions I have for you guys:
1.) I read somewhere that socket CPUs and oil can't come directly in contact with each other (Not sure why). Since the Xbox 360 CPU and GPU are right on the motherboard, would I have to worry about isolating the chip from the oil?
2.) Would my wireless controllers still work? I am not entirely sure if radio waves can travel through oil, but I assume so. They have no problem going through water.
3.) I see that sometimes oil can get "inside" the cables that are running into the submerged system and oil can like get into them and run out. Anyone have a solution for this? lol
4.) Should I use a pump of filter to keep the oil circulating and clean? Is it necessary?
5.) Any ideas on where I should put the DVD drive and hard drive? I can't submerge those 
6.) Since the DVD drive cables are very short (custom power cable + SATA), do you have any suggestions for making them longer? I know I can buy a longer SATA cable, but I think I will have to cut and extend the power cable. What's the best way for lengthening small cables or attaching small cables?
Any help would be greatly appreciated guys.
For reference, I am putting the system in a fish tank in pure mineral oil, then if I have good results, I will put it in a more permanent case.
Thanks in advance!
call microsoft
by ramarc - 5/31/09 4:15 PM In reply to: Oil Cooling? by canyonnehastingsthey've been very accomodating in providing replacement XBoxes that suffer from RROD syndrome even if they are out of warranty. why try to 'fix' it when they'll replace it?
Can't
by canyonnehastings - 5/31/09 7:35 PM In reply to: call microsoft by ramarcWell I bought the box refurbished and I have had to crack it open in the past to fix several things (spilt apple juice, RROD, faulty DVD drive), so I don't think they will take this Xbox under any circumstances. Plus, I would like to see Oil Cooling work first hand as a sort of experiment.
Then do that.
by R. Proffitt
- 6/1/09 7:26 AM
In reply to: Can't by canyonnehastings
While I figured out I want to see the HDMI connection to assure me I have the newer chips inside I read your story and all that can be said is to "do that."
Good luck and let me share a story in parting.
Another console arrived at my steps and was busted up, out of warranty and in terrible shape. What I was surprised at is there was a flat rate repair rate for less than 1/2 a new console. We did that and with no questions asked they supplied a shiny new looking console all updated. I too was thinking they would scoff over the broken plastics.
Bob
OIL COOLING A good idea
by mjd420nova - 6/1/09 11:34 AM In reply to: Oil Cooling? by canyonnehastingsAny liquid colling system should be a closed loop type to prevent air from causing a blockage in the lines and stopping flow. In reality, the cooling medium should be through the heatsink place atop the CPU/GPU, thereby eliminating any contact with the coolant and the processor. Once the loop is closed and sealed, there should be no way for any contaminants to get in so filtering would not be neccesary. Direct contact with coolant can only be achieved with demineralized, deionized water, and in that state, actually becomes a good insulator.
Thanks for the input guys
by canyonnehastings - 6/1/09 1:33 PM In reply to: OIL COOLING A good idea by mjd420novaFirst of all, I am talking about dropping my entire Xbox board into a fish tank of pure Mineral Oil. I am not about to run tubing around there.
Second, to the first guy, do you happen to know what that flat rate was? I would probably send my Xbox in if the price was 200$ or under, then I could try this oil cooling experiment with an old computer or soemthing.
See other videoes, too
by Willy - 6/1/09 9:26 PM In reply to: Oil Cooling? by canyonnehastingsYou want to do this, go ahead. It seems to work. Of course you have mod it abit as like your cables, etc.. There are enough examples of "oil cooling" to give you the idea what's what. You can proceed as you see fit.
IMHO, I haven't seen any oil cooled systems around here at least. This has been around for some time. The main moan I have with oil cooling is that it may become "moldy" or similar as it is an biological item. While, I haven't seen too many cpus blow-up or other devices, etc., but they do go "poof" sometimes for whatever reason and wonder how an oil bathed system will react. good luck
tada -----Willy
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by canyonnehastings - 6/2/09 8:07 AM In reply to: See other videoes, too by WillyYeah, no one will deals with it because they are scared to drop their high end computers in a fishtank, plus it's slightly high maintenance. I don't think mineral oil will decompose in any way, but I have seen people use vegetable oil with bad results.
I will just get a filter and pump in there. I might even change the oil once a year (unless a new console comes out)
Appreciate all the input, everyone
Don't!
by Dango517 - 6/5/09 9:43 PM In reply to: Oil Cooling? by canyonnehastingsThis could put you or others at risk. This should only be done by those trained and experienced in electronics or electricity. This could be very risky and is certainly not worth, possibly, dieing for.
Yes, I understand mineral oil is a dielectric.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dielectric
Have you cleaned your Xbox 360?
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=clean+xbox+360&aq=0s&oq=clean+xbox360
Now that you mention it.
by R. Proffitt - 6/6/09 5:58 AM
In reply to: Don't! by Dango517
Oil is a fuel. Electricity is a fine ignition source. I bet this could take a gallon of oil so let's find a video of it burning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=473QNZss0PM
Just what you want in your home.
Bob
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