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CD & DVD Recordable Media Disk Reliability
by taboma - 11/8/09 9:28 PMAnyone know what the most reliable media disks there are out there?
I have Memorex and TDK–R media disks that are reliable. I also have Verbatim DVD-R media disks.
Lately I have noticed a number of Verbatim DVD-R disks that have been giving me problems with my Lacie disk writer.
It seems I am waiting for my disk writer a lot recently along with the Roxio Toast software waiting for the disk writer to kick in. (Waiting and waiting.)
The problem seems to be with the Lacie software that is trying to read the DVD Verbatim disks.
If I change to a new Verbatim disk, sometimes it will solve the problem and record.
I think there is a problem with Verbatim DVD media disks. I threw out three out of eight new disks this evening because my Lacie could not read the new blank media disk.
Drives me crazy at times.
What media disk manufacturers are the best for us to use?
I am tired of wasting my money purchasing unreliable media disks.
What about you!??
Thanks,
-Kevin
Actually.
by R. Proffitt
- 11/9/09 4:18 AM
In reply to: CD & DVD Recordable Media Disk Reliability by taboma
I found the issues to be more about the recorder. These used to cost hundreds of dollars but now are 25 dollars. What appears to be sucked out to get to the low price is reliability of the drive. If you want mroe reliable recording, use drives under 2 years old.
http://www.itl.nist.gov/iad/894.05/publications.html has the articles on care and handling as well as research on life.
Bob
Actually.
by taboma - 11/9/09 10:18 PM In reply to: Actually. by R. Proffitt
Bob, your links are too complicated and advanced for me to fathom.
I suffer from CRS.
Post back and make it really simple for me to understand.
OK, what CD-DVD recorder do you use and recommend?
At first thought, I was thinking the recorder was the problem.
Than I thought the media disks may be the issue.
I am not sure how old my Lacie really is. Maybe a year and a half old at the most.
Almost all CD disks work well with my recorder. When I get to DVD's, that is when I start to have a problem lately accessing, and recording them. Never had a problem before. Problems started within the last month. May be the brand?
Time to purchase a new recorder??
Would it be time to vacuum out the Lacie recorder?
How about me throwing it in my dishwasher in order to clean it!?
That should get rid of the cobwebs and correct my Lacie recorder!
Soap or no soap?
Same time for me to clean my old keyboard that that has cigarette butt ashes in it?
True!!! I am not making this up.
Cleaning a keyboard in a dishwasher works!
Most all electronic boards are cleaned with sterilized hot water.
I wonder what would happen to the Lacie? Morté with the Lacie probably.
The keyboard would be fine.
Just do not put the keyboard into the dryer cycle ever!
Thanks, Bob,
-Kevin
Your choice to research or not.
by R. Proffitt - 11/10/09 4:40 AM
In reply to: Actually. by taboma
The research has been done on media. Your choice to go there.
Your choice as to the drives. I can only share what I'm seeing and want to write TWO more things.
1. You will see most consumers dig in their heels about replacing old recorders. Good for them but let's hope they don't pay for their reluctance.
2. You didn't reveal how you were recording on DVD media. "ANY" drag to disc or "DVD as a big floppy" software is prone to failure. To keep it simple and working the SINGLE CLOSED SESSION methods work best.
Good luck,
Bob
Your choice to research or not.
by taboma - 11/10/09 7:33 PM In reply to: Your choice to research or not. by R. Proffitt
Bob, I had researched many brands. I chose LaCie. Not on price, but performance. I use a single closed session when I record to my LaCie D2 using Firewire. LaCie also comes with LightScribe direct disk labeling invented by HP. (I have never used LightScribe feature.) Do you?
I really do not have a problem with the LaCie at all.
I really think my problem is with the DVD media that I purchased.
Some brands are better than others.
LaCie also burns double layer 2.4x. I have never used that feature or media as well.
Care to inform us on the quality of recordable media? Bob, do you ever record to double layer DVD's?
I for one, would love to know since I need to purchase new DVD media disks soon. I purchase from the net most of the time.
Thanks, Bob…
-Kevin
Let me go out on a limb.
by R. Proffitt - 11/11/09 4:03 AM
In reply to: Your choice to research or not. by taboma
Here's some media that is performing well. That is, always works for me.
HP (surprise but not to me since HP is full of tech heads.)
Sony
Verbatim
Those CAKE BOXES or SPINDLES of 50, 200 media are great buys but those are not for people who must have reliable operation and long life.
Bob
Let me go out on a limb.
by taboma - 11/11/09 10:02 PM In reply to: Let me go out on a limb. by R. Proffitt
Bob, do not fall off the branch!:·))
I hear what you are saying. I did purchase a 100-pack Verbatim DVD spindle.
That is the brand that I have my recent problems with.
I was thinking of cleaning the Verbatim DVD disk with 98% alcohol before inserting the disk into my LaCie burner.
What do you think?
Every once in a while I have had a CD or DVD disk that could not be read. I gently clean the disk with alcohol and that corrects the problem.
I guess that my Verbatim media disks are a year and a half old.
I will check out HP and Sony disks. Thanks.
What do you know about double layer DVD disks?
I can burn those on my LaCie.
Who can read them!?
One problem I have is to find my original packaging and disks with Roxio Toast Platinum & Titanium. I know they are here somewhere in my computer room.Right now I use Toast Lite.
You think I can find that package? Not! My computer room looks like a junk yard presently. Just awful!
I think that the Roxio packaging is somewhere behind my new kitchen sink packaging.
Bob, I found an unopened case of Three Stooges beer in my cellar recently.
Want to come over to my home and have a brew with me?
You can help me find the Roxio Toast packaging at the same time. :·))
-Kevin
Lens cleaning.
by R. Proffitt - 11/12/09 4:19 AM
In reply to: Let me go out on a limb. by taboma
About once a year here but no drives here are given much more than that if they are troublesome. They get replaced. The lesson is simple but hard for consumers. They want the drive fixed but not replaced and that is costly.
If you think you have a media issue, get other media.
And the old advice sounds like it is worth repeating. Burn at half the speed of the media or the drive, which ever is lower.
Bob
Quality and cost
by Willy - 11/9/09 5:17 AM In reply to: CD & DVD Recordable Media Disk Reliability by tabomaIf you plan to store data for a long period of time, that is for yrs.(decades), then look for media that mentions "archival usage" or is made of the "golden media" it literally has golden hue as part of the media. These tend to be made specifically for long term data storage. Anything else maybe good or better amongst std. media storage use, but don't count on that just because you believe it will, archival media says it will. Next, spend $ on a very good brand name R/W burner, as these make a difference not only to burn the media but later retrieve it.
As for your issues, it could be possible the drive is starting to go. if you use a burner alot, I have found that 1yr. usage is tops in many cases before a problem arises. More so, the cheaper it is. You got to wonder why there are $20+ vs, $100+ units what could be the difference? Now you know, they tend to last longer and actually do the job at peak performance.
I remember when having a CD reader cost $10grand(yrs. ago) and the writer about $5grand, now if you need both that's $15large.
tada -----Willy 
Quality and cost
by taboma - 11/9/09 11:07 PM In reply to: Quality and cost by WillyWilly,
Maybe my Lacie recorder is starting to go. I was thinking the same thing the other evening.
Any suggestions for a good burner?
I do not care about the cost. I want it to be reliable and to last a few years if that it is possible.
I hate the burner of the month!!
Any ideas on media recommendations? DVD-R disks?
-Kevin
Suggestions
by samkh - 11/10/09 7:39 AM In reply to: Quality and cost by tabomahttp://www.plextoramericas.com/index.php/products
http://www.yuden.co.jp/us/product/cdrdvdr/index.html
You can search for retailers. A Plextor did fail once on me when a disc load jammed the door but warranty was honored and fast.
Suggestions
by taboma - 11/10/09 8:18 PM In reply to: Suggestions by samkhThanks, samkh,
I did check out those optical drives, yet I am staying away from any new optical drives because of an unfortunate history with optical drives in the past.
Remember ZIP Disks years ago? That media was junk!
Failed quite often. I have a giant bag full of ZIP disks along with optical disks that I want to donate to a large reclamation facility.
I do not want to send these disks out in my trash bin at all.
How the heck do we get rid of these disks!? What is the proper procedure?
-Kevin
Suggestions...
by Willy - 11/10/09 7:44 AM In reply to: Quality and cost by tabomaLook into Philips, Sony and Plextor(sp) as brands to check out. The actual model, pick a top dollar one. As those will certainly change or not be offered within a 1yr. of having been offered. That's the nature of electronics.
One clue to a good burner is check "stand-alone burner/copiers" offered by vendors to duplicate CD/DVD's. Check what the guts(specs) are and use that as a measuring stick.
tada -----Willy
Suggestions...
by taboma - 11/10/09 9:03 PM In reply to: Suggestions... by Willy"tada" -----Willy,
Thanks for your research. I will check them out.
I do have my LaCie that is a stand-alone burner. The LaCie was not a cheapo brand at all. Has a lot of nice features. Can also burn double media. I am not sure that everyone has the ability to read a double disk DVD on an older computer.
How old is old!!??
I viewed some-where that technology doubles every two years.
I absolutely believe it!!
View a U.S. made F-16 fighter aircraft that is very good.
Used by many nations.
Now view the F-22 Raptor fighter aircraft. When was it conceived?
What is next in technology!?
Macintosh recently developed and introduced a new "Mighty Mouse" that lets you scroll across your computer screen, etc. Within two years it may be outdated.
Your comment… "Nature of electronics" says it all.
Thanks, Willie… :·)
-Kevin
Bad disks ARE possible
by rje49 - 11/13/09 5:35 PM In reply to: CD & DVD Recordable Media Disk Reliability by tabomaI usually go with the opinion that most all recordable disks are alike, but I recently found out there are indeed defective disks out there. I was recording and mailing out 4-disk sets of music CDs for friends & family. I used up a box of Staples brand CDs that I picked up a the flea market for 2 bucks, then started on a brand new box of Memorex. I always check the recording by playing a bit from random tracks. This time, I was finding some with "broken up" sound, stopping and starting, and just plain refusal to play. Guess which ones? Every Memorex disk! I cut one up; it was unusually brittle. I returned the box to Wal-Mart and told them to expect more returns!
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