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Windows 7: OK, I'm done with it . . .
OK, I'm done with it . . .
by Coryphaeus - 6/2/09 7:25 PMTo all of you early adopters, good luck.
Just a rant, OK?
Running XP Pro SP3 on a fast P-4 with 2 Gig of RAM. So I'm not wanting for performance. I just don't like Seven, or Vista.
A friend gave me a legal copy of Vista Ultimate. I had an extra HD so I popped it in and installed Vista Ultimate. Painless, but not impressed.
Got the latest RC copy of Seven. Vista on steroids, but with a little Valium. Do not like the control it wants. Do not like Networking, took me ten minutes to get it to share folders (and I do know networking). No email except third party, Outlook Express reigns, but no joy in Seven or Vista. Live mail sucks. Thunderbird cannot split address groups. Neither Live Mail or Thunderbird will import email accounts. Not even close to importing messages across a network where I had my OE6 "stuff" stored on my server. Don't even think about it. I've let my thoughts on web mail be known in other messages here in the forum. Not!
Aero is nice, but what has it done for me lately. Fluff. Explorer, where I do most of my "computing" is a waste of my time. Control Panel? What was wrong with the way it was?
Sorry phokes, not gonna happen. Hope ya'll enjoy.
I agree
by rupeshnarvekar1977 - 6/2/09 10:53 PM In reply to: OK, I'm done with it . . . by Coryphaeusto a Very Good extend I agree with you! XP is so much better !!
Rupesh Narvekar
Vista
by Karin 1000 - 6/5/09 9:35 PM In reply to: I agree by rupeshnarvekar1977I have Vista and I do not like it.I allways liked Xp and it will by my favored.
Thanks for the feedback
by RonS [WINDOWS-TEAM]
- 6/3/09 9:46 AM
In reply to: OK, I'm done with it . . . by Coryphaeus
Thanks for the feedback. All feedback (seriously) is useful.
Are you saying really that you don’t find Vista or 7 useful at all or useful for the specific type of computing you do on a daily basis?
Cheers,
OK . . .
by Coryphaeus - 6/3/09 4:24 PM In reply to: Thanks for the feedback by RonS [WINDOWS-TEAM]
I build web sites. I run my own from my home built server running XP Pro. I build and repair computers. Not as a living but well enough that I'm the "guru" in these parts. Not saying this to be bragging, please, don't think that. I'm just saying that I know my way around a few PCs, networking, and sites. And for my needs Vista and W-7 is just plain not needed. I see W-7 for the casual surfer that can get into trouble. And for the advanced user that wants to tweak, and try, and try to customize all over again.
I use Explorer extensively. I run movies to my media center (again, home built), download a lot of "stuff" and move this "stuff" between my server, NAS, and other PCs. -7 is not user friendly in this area.
Seven was a PITA when I tried to install the drivers to my NAS attached printer. Never did get it to work. XP said, OK, done.
Email is important to me. I will not use web based email. I was raised on Outlook (many years ago). Today Outlook is terribly bloated and beyond my needs (I do have Office 2007). OE is simple and sufficient for my needs. When Vista left out an email (probably because of the lawyers somewhere) I was immediately turned off. Why was something so simple and depended upon by millions left out? Seven doesn't have it either. So I went to Thunderbird, and Windows Live mail. Please! Neither have even the simplest way to create different folders for addresses. Back to OE. Oh! It's not there any more.
Sharing is a joke. XP gave warnings about sharing folders. Done. If you're an idiot, let the entire Internet access your hard drive. Vista and -7 patiently blocks it or restricts it. To open sharing on the Vista/-7 PC one must jump through hoops. Tun on this, allow that, cancel the freaking username/password prompt. Again, a PITA. Yes, I got it to work, but damn!
Where is the simplicity? The OS today is so bloated with fluff (Aero, please!), and "protecting the client" that it is almost unusable. Maybe I'm being too hard on the other gazillion users out there. But the security (supposedly) built into the new OSs are supposed to help the morons that blindly accept all cookies, download it 'cause it's free ("it" being pick something), don't run any anti-anything software is for these morons. As far as I'm concerned, if the people can't read the news, and don't practice safe surfing, they deserve to get hit. Sorry, but that's the way I feel. Why should MS screw up a good system to protect the dummies?
For my needs XP Pro is sufficient. And, looking at the reviews and corporate responses, I'm not alone. Microsoft screwed the pooch on this one.
Sorry, but you asked.
I tend to agree
by rgfitz - 6/3/09 6:50 PM In reply to: OK . . . by CoryphaeusI also have Windows 7 on a second hard drive where I had Vista Home Premium that one of my sons, who works for Microsoft, got for me for $35. I have an Acronis True Image backup of Vista that I was thinking of restoring to that hard drive. Frankly, I don't use Windows 7 or Vista for anything...just curious about them. XP Pro on my laptop and XP Home on my desktop and my wife's laptop suit me fine. I may switch to Windows 7 in a few years. I did use Vista for video editing and making DVD's but now use Adobe Premiere Elements I got on ebay for next to nothing.
However, I do use Windows Live Mail because my old Earthlink Total Access mail program was dropped by Earthlink. Live Mail works fine for me but I don't think setting it up would be easy for the average user.
Something else made me appreciate XP. A person in our housing complex sent me some email photos the other day. The several files were huge, 5MB or so each. I sent an email suggesting they use the Power Toy Image Resizer and sent the link. I also said it wouldn't work for Vista. Well, the OS was Vista. I assume most people take big pictures then decide to use them in an email rather than set the camera for email sized files beforehand.
I have been using Windows Live Gallery
by bowacl - 6/5/09 11:24 PM In reply to: I tend to agree by rgfitzYou can take folders full of photos, highlite them all, right mouse click and choose resize, pick 640, all the photos are now mailable size, if you don't want to save the huge ones the highlite is still on them right mouse click and delete. You can also rename them easily, crop, resize and for heavens sake get rid of that red eye, LOL. I work with a lot of photos so have to have a quick and easy way to resize. I have bounced back and forth between Picasa and Gallery and Gallery had more ease of use for me, to size in Picasa you have to Export them after pinning them. Even better upload them to online and just send a link to friends that way they can leave them there when they are done looking at them and not have them clogging up their inbox. Gallery is compatible with Vista and XP.
As for keeping up or staying behind, I been keeping up with Windows since it was Windows. and I am not stopping now it only gets better with each version adding something more useful for me. XP was fine but for all the things I do with my computer now I need more and Vista and Windows 7 provide that. I don't spend a lot of time tweaking a computer because I mainly use it to run my software so I really don't care what it looks like as long as I can get the job done, I also like to update or change my software choices as newer becomes easier to use. Altho I do use MS office I also use Open Office, FireFox, Thunderbird, Gimpshop, Frontpage etc. I manage three web sites, use my laptop for home and work and the other 3 computers at home for various reasons including med duty gaming online for the kids. Vista is so much easier for just plugging in and using my media cards, flash drives, MP3 Player, I can unplug one USB thing and plug in another and it just installs it. Currently we have a mix of Win XP on one, Vista on two and Windows 7 on my laptop, I did the first beta and it was so stable I went to RC still using it as my main operating system on a 2 1/2 yr old $350 laptop, will I be buying Windows 7? No - I will when I cycle out my 3-5 yr computers and get it then maybe going to quad core, I haven't done an upgrade on my or any of the other computers I support in my group since XP came out. I have always found it is much better to buy a computer with the operating system on it it was made for. I also have no idea why Microsoft sat on XP for so long when all others were updated much sooner.
Thanks Cyph...
by DLDBlana - 6/5/09 6:59 PM In reply to: OK . . . by CoryphaeusAnd here I thought I was the only one ranting. I spend most of my time on this pc (Vista) searching or getting permission for something. I could have sworn I bought and paid for this pc. For years I have ranted about the MS control over our use of OUR pc's. Nothing changes. My laptop has XP and still it gets updates There's a song..."how long has this been going on"? Sorry folks, I too have been told by my Techie Son and Son-in-law "it's all in your head"
Yepper and I do believe I'm going back to Mac very soon.
Your son and son-in-law maybe right if...
by ahtoi - 6/7/09 10:18 AM In reply to: Thanks Cyph... by DLDBlanayou think the mac is the solutions, hehe. Man! talk about control! hehe.
Thanks ahtoi
by DLDBlana - 6/9/09 10:14 AM In reply to: Your son and son-in-law maybe right if... by ahtoiJust for general conversation My Son and Son-in Law are never right LOL...that's my role, just ask them. By the way I am notably very proud of them both.
I have never been averse to change and used to welcome all the new technology, since an illness and retirement overtook my rationality, I will tell you still think Windows 3.1 was the lesser beast to deal with. I liked the MAC for graphic use only. Many of the newer versions of Windows have been requiring scurity updates for years and it never seems to end. Why don't they perfect those beta tests results before it goes to market. I think in normal arenas it's called Quality Control.
The value of familiarity
by rje49 - 6/5/09 7:41 PM In reply to: OK . . . by CoryphaeusA good part of the XP love affair is that MS let us use it for so long. How can they tell us they have an improved, easier-to-use version when we can already use XP practically blindfolded? What could be easier? All I ask for in an OS is that it works, works well, quickly, and no glitches. And I also love Outlook Express. Can't think of anything I'd like changed with it. I don't give a hoot about how it "looks"(Aero, etc.) I don't want programs that try to do things for me that I don't want them to do. I don't want IE8 to "suggest websites" for me. Search? Just click on Google and I'm there- not another toolbar! Don't care about "webslices" or "tabbed browsing". I especially don't want more toolbars!("Favorites Toolbar???) XP handles Favorites just fine. Heck, I tried FireFox but uninstalled it, partially because of the insanely, annoying, bookmarks features! I know, this is web browser stuff, but it comes with the OS. OK, done ranting. Just wondering how people would like an upgraded XP instead, that fixed any remaining problems and was rock-stable. I'm one that was holding off, waiting for W7 before investing in a new machine. Maybe I'll pick up another XP OS disk while they're still around...
Reply to OK...
by waleed_wc - 6/6/09 6:24 AM In reply to: OK . . . by CoryphaeusJust to clear something up, windows vista doesn't contain outlook express, but it does contain a mail client, called windows mail, which is pretty much the same as outlook express, most of the general apps in vista were renamed to windows "sumthing". I've used both outlook express and windows mail and both are just as simple to use, windows mail is a renamed version of OE.
As for security, in windows 7 you are able to adjust the level of security on your system, so you dont get UAC prompts every time you access something that allows you to adjust the settings on your computer, however it does suck in vista, i agree with you, but the problem has been addressed and microsoft have sorted it out in W-7.
So, about Windows Mail
by rje49 - 6/6/09 6:45 AM In reply to: Reply to OK... by waleed_wcOK, so now it's called "Windows Mail". Can you tell me if 1- It functions similar to Outlook Express 2- Is it web-based or "in my computer" 3- Would I be able to easily transfer all my accumulated mail & address book from Outlook Express to Windows Mail (like I can with O.E. from old computer to new). If not, who likes the idea of losing all their old mail? The thought is scary.
Windows Mail...
by John.Wilkinson
- 6/6/09 7:25 AM
In reply to: So, about Windows Mail by rje49
Windows Mail was just a temporary replacement for Outlook Express found in Windows Vista...it does not exist in Windows 7. Rather, the permanent replacement is Windows Live Mail, a free download that runs on Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows 7. Answering your questions for it:
1.) Yes, it functions much like Outlook Express.
2.) It is "in your computer," just like Outlook Express.
3.) Yes, you can transfer all of your email and contacts over.
Hope this helps,
John
Thanks
by rje49 - 6/6/09 7:33 AM In reply to: Windows Mail... by John.Wilkinson
Good; sometimes change is tough(as we've been reading here) but it's a lot better if we retain features that are important to us. Thanks.
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