Windows 7: Windows 7, please enlighten me with your opinions on this to be released OS
- 4/17/09 3:39 PM
RE: Vista
by Ritsoo1 - 4/17/09 11:06 PM In reply to: Here here by Tech Boy StevoFor many years I had a basic Dell desktop w/XP which ran very good for our needs ie; surfing the net for Homeschooling ideas and reading e-mails. In Dec of 08 I bought a new HP with Vista (for you cp geeks it is a: Intel Pentium Dual CPU E2200 @2.20 GHZ w/ 3GB Ram w/a 64 Bit OS, which is greek to me, as long as it turns on and lets me read my e-mails and a little surfing I'm happy) and because of all the negative things I had read and heard about Vista, I was going to uninstall Vista, but then I thought give it chance, as some bloggers said "try before you dump" so I did. I must be one of lucky ones because I have had not 1 single freeze up or crash, it does load faster then my XP (I even did a few no no's and had to system restore once or twice, ok, maybe 4 or 5 times, but I am learning more and more about cp's every day, I learned a lot on the Dell,I bet I was doing a system restore 3 times a month, but I learned what to touch and what not touch and a lot of "Leave that file alone no matter what". Anyway, I am self-taught be pale to most of you people on here, but my Vista runs great, has games downloaded on it, 2 web browsers, Maxthon and IE8 which both run great. I downloaded IE8 on a whim and it performs perfectly and, I speak the truth here, it actually ran faster than FF3, no joke and the Maxthon ran faster than FF3, Opera, Avant, Safari, AOL Explorer, MSN Explorer and being the novice and curious person I am, I played around with them. What's my point? I don't know, I forgot (hey I'm 56 give me a break) my it was: don't go to much by what say, try it first, give it time, what worked for some-one may not work for you, but what didn't work for some-one may work for you. If I would have listened to what people wrote and said, I still would be using my Dell. Maybe that was what I wanted to say. If anyone can explain to me what all that mumbo jumbo about my new HP is, could you maybe please let me know. I will check back here because I want to see what people are saying about Windows 7. Thank-you
vista and XP
by maggiedev - 4/18/09 6:02 PM In reply to: Here here by Tech Boy Stevomy first computer was windows 95. i did not have internet at the time and could not figure out what to even do with a computer. i was used to police computers only. i went to windows 98 and loved it. a realative went to 2000 and ME and hated both. my old 98 finally gave out and i went to XP and loved it.. then i got vista.. oh my.. love it. my daughter has XP on her desktop and i have vist on laptop and we have the best of both worlds. am i strange or what.
Stay With VISTA or Move To Win7?
by i_made_this - 4/19/09 8:15 PM In reply to: Here here by Tech Boy StevoWindows XP: "Solid." Disagree. The first three years following release, "we" all hated the pre-SP1 O/S.
Windows XP x64: "Good luck with the drivers." Agreed! Redmond wasn't quite ready to deliver 64-bit computing without widespread hardware support.
Windows VISTA: "Rock solid with SP1 upgrade." I agree with rock solid, but IMHO SP1 was mostly cosmetic nonsense. SP2 will matter. Lots. The market will force Redmond to issue an effective SP2 that represents true progress before the Corporate / Enterprise buyers - the important ones to Redmond for the new O/S - will support a Win7 launch. Windows VISTA x64: Rock solid with or without the cosmetic service pack one - an important milestone that got lost in the rush or completely misunderstood - Apple's already gotten there and Win7 (or whatever it'll be called lol) will be the O/S to take Microsoft there forcefully, finally.
And the issue still rears its head - VISTA's hardware bump is what scared the Corporate / Enterprise buyers off. Nothing about those more powerful hardware requirements will change in Win7. Microsoft has stated this plainly. They will not sacrifice the gains made by VISTA in an effort to go back to XP or 2000 or ME or 98SE or 98 or 95 lol. Starting with ME then 2000 then XP, each new O/S was despised by the markets for +/- 36 months following release. Pundits here and elsewhere have laughed at Win7, saying about VISTA and Win7 in so many words "how quickly they do forget." Win7 is VISTA with some bells and whistles pushed around - nothing new, just pushed around. IE8 is a joke IMHO but I haven't really cared what browser Redmond chooses to embed in its O/S in recent years. FF, Opera and more recently Chrome have been my defaults under VISTA.
I prefer Chrome over FF and Opera - we all have come to put a premium on fast browsers because most of the big, well-known ones have become so darned slow. Of these major browsers, there's none that can compete with Google's Chrome (browsers in beta don't count).
I'll buy the equivalent Win7 upgrade to VISTA Ultimate six to nine months following Win7's release on Dell, HP, Acer systems. We'll know by then if the Corporate / Enterprise market will support Win7 or not. I don't forecast upgrading from VISTA Ultimate if Win7 is a non-event that won't be supported by MSFT and others.
Windows 7 - hmmmm
by dfdmouse - 4/18/09 9:19 PM In reply to: Windows 7 by clhdI've downloaded/used Win 7 64 bit beta - at first, boot up, log on, etc. was faster than Win XP 32 bit, however, once I started pouring on the programs/shells/development packages/etc/ the OP SYS behaved similar to Win XP - however, my system did perform at a better clip.
One thing I did learn - I purchased a Vista Home Premium 64 bit license - it performs identicle to Win 7 beta (7000).
Please don't flame me.
See ya' later.
Windows 7
by Furrything - 4/18/09 9:27 PM In reply to: Windows 7 by clhdIts 100% better than VISTA, but still not as good as XP ....
Why dont Microsoft listen to users when they complain, or offer advice
It persist with an IE which still is crap Fire Fox have stolen the lead for browsers
Stick with Vista
by texass - 4/17/09 6:45 PM In reply to: Stick with Vista by PrecedeYou're right about,If what you has works,no need for a new OS.Unless you want bragging rights as having the latest and the greatest.Which can be very cool if you can afford it.But don't break the bank.I have Vista,has had no problems.But also has two computers running XP.I love them all.I'am a geek.No such thing as to much tech.
Whose fault?
by avatar25 - 4/21/09 12:04 PM In reply to: Stick with Vista by PrecedeYou say slow implementation is the fault of third party companies, not MS. Could it be the fault lies with the fact that MS makes both operating systems and software? Thus they have a leg (or more) up on outsiders. It seems to me we'd all be better off if MS had been split by the feds into completely separate operating system and software companies when this was considered 10 years or so ago.
Windows 7
by jedirock - 4/10/09 6:30 PM In reply to: Windows 7, please enlighten me with your opinions on this to be released OS by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
My experience has been that it feels faster than Vista. I haven't done any time comparisons, but when I have to boot back into Vista to do various things, I feel like I'm waiting around longer. I also like the new start bar. Application windows, by default, are grouped under one icon for the application, rather than each separate window getting its own real estate on the start bar. I am also a Mac guy though, so YMMV.
Hardware wise, anything that can run Vista can run Win7. I have a virtual machine with Windows 7 in it as well, and it runs fine with 512MB of memory, which is the absolute minimum for Vista. The VM program I use doesn't have the capability for enough 3D acceleration for Aero though, so I don't know if Aero works with 512MB of memory (my main machine has 8GB of RAM).
There are a couple issues with drivers right now, but most things that work with Vista should work with Windows 7. As the release date comes closer, software makers should also start releasing Windows 7 compatible versions, if the software isn't already compatible.
Right now, the experience is very positive over Vista. UAC has definitely been toned down, and doesn't get in the way as much. I will definitely upgrade to Windows 7 once it's released.
Is Windows 7 better than Vista?
by Watzman - 4/10/09 6:56 PM In reply to: Windows 7, please enlighten me with your opinions on this to be released OS by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Is Windows 7 better than Vista?
Based on everything I have seen and heard (a significant amount, I am a Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist on Vista), the answer is an unqualified, absolutely yes, in just about every way.
First of all, in may ways, Windows 7 is really more like "Vista Service Pack 2". The design differences from Vista to 7 are not as great as the differences from XP to Vista. In many ways, Windows 7 is more of a cleaned up and more polished Vista than a new OS (and many people are of the opinion that Vista users should see that reflected in a much lower Vista-to-7 upgrade price vis-a-vis XP to Windows 7).
By all accounts, Windows 7 has a smaller memory footprint than Vista, and is also faster: Smaller AND faster. One objective here is to enable Windows version 7 to be used on "Netbooks"; currently, Netbooks can't run Vista, so Microsoft has done the unthinkable and has kept XP Home alive as an active product for Netbooks (the alternative would be to abandon that market to Linux, and no way MS is going to do THAT). But Microsoft wants desparately to kill XP, and Windows 7 appears to have successfully undergone a sufficiently successful weight-loss (memory footprint requirement loss) program to meet that goal. In spite it's vastly additional features relative not to Vista, but all the way back to XP.
More features? Yes, but nothing that, by itself, will blow your socks off (keeping in mind that we've only seen beta software, of course). But hey, smaller AND faster, and with more features, is nothing to sneeze at.
Will you have to upgrade? No; as noted, Windows 7's hardware requirements, in terms of both memory and CPU requirements are DOWN from Vista, and perhaps even below a fully updated XP Pro SP3 with IE7 or IE8. In general, you won't have to upgrade (that said, any given piece of older hardware might end up unsupported by any given later new OS, but for the most part, you shouldn't have any problems with most mainstream systems and peripherals).
I'm undecided as to whether I will fully upgrade or not, the truth is that right now I still use and like XP Pro. And, in my case, I have some hardware that does not work with Vista, nor is it likely to work with Windows 7, so my choices (I can not replace this hardware) are to either stay with XP or, very possibly (and this is what I'm tentatively planning) configure dual boot with XP and Windows 7.
It's been said that, like the "Star Trek" movies, every other version of Windows was good, and the in between ones were, to be kind, not so good (those "in between ones" include Windows ME and, also, Vista). The appearance right now is that Windows 7 will be a winner, and that view is pretty widely held and universal. Compared to Vista, Windows 7 looks like it will be better in pretty much every way, all (or nearly all) upside with no real downside. That said, if you are happy with what you have now (be that XP or Vista), it's not clear that it's going to provide a huge motivation to upgrade beyond just the bragging rights of being able to say that you are using "the latest and greatest". That will be a decision for each user to make on their own (and will, undoubtedly, depend in part on the pricing of Windows 7, it's various editions and upgrade options).
looks like XP better than XP or VISTA
by sfensler - 4/18/09 4:27 AM In reply to: Is Windows 7 better than Vista? by WatzmanI have an HP printer that works correctly on XP. Doesn't hardly work on VISTA and works OK (but missing some features) on Win 7. Since this is beta maybe the final product will be better but that's probably up to the MFG (of any periferal device).
Someone said all the video drivers work, well almost. I have SLI in my Toshiba laptop. The MFG sent WIN 7 drivers to MS but is is still vary flaky. I've even seen it totally disappear and had to reload the drivers. Sometimes it only works in single mode. Sometimes for CRYSIS it's fast in SLI mode and sometimes in single mode. And CRYSIS was faster before I moved up a WIN 7 release. Other drivers seem to come and go too, like my Mouse pad. Worst of all sometimes I have to cold boot a couple of times to get all the parts of 7 working but it is beta.
As a beta person I really like 7. It looks like XP and works better than either XP or Vista. I plan to get it as soon as I can afford it. I say that because as a computer tech and programmer I really need the ultimate version but right now appears to be priced bigger than my bank account.
is Windows 7 Better Then Vista
by shilton2 - 4/18/09 7:08 AM In reply to: looks like XP better than XP or VISTA by sfenslerI dont think so it Does give us a few more options then vista I had it for three Monthes it gives us a faster page tranfere rate,
a faster bootup but other then that i went back to Vista Ultimate
and it seem very simeler but if you just want to know go there and i dont think you will be impressed!! SH
Not So Fast On Windows 7
by rabbit122851 - 4/10/09 7:01 PM In reply to: Windows 7, please enlighten me with your opinions on this to be released OS by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I started a beta test on Windows 7 only to find there was almost no anti-virus software for this program. Even Windows OneCare did not support Windows 7. I would have to buy another anti-virus program to run it so I decided to stop the beta test. What little time I did use it it seemed pretty good but not a whole lot better than Vista. I run Vista on 5 computers and it works fine on all but one. The thing that would stop me from buying it would be the IE8 browser. I have tried it many times and absolutely hate it. The last time I tried it was a disaster, with web sites closing for no reason and then tring to "recover" from the shut down. The supprising thing was how hard it was to find an IE7 download.I would recomend anyone to wait a few months after Windows 7 releases. That is what I plan to do.
Hushhhh
by Sheitan86 - 4/11/09 1:47 AM In reply to: Not So Fast On Windows 7 by rabbit122851Several anti-virus programs DO work fine with Windows 7
E.G. Kaspersky and Mc Afee, both are offering free beta version so you DO NOT NEED to purchase a new licence for testing purposes !
Lack of an anti virus it's not excuse for doing a beta test.
Win 7
by Garken - 4/17/09 6:09 PM In reply to: Not So Fast On Windows 7 by rabbit122851Avast works just fine on Win 7.And its free to boot ! The only problem I've had is microsofts own life cam. The Vista drivers do not work. Other than that Win 7 is great ! No more side bar , you can place gadgets anywhere. The sticky note feature works great to. When the release comes I will be first in line ! IE 8 has been improved and is faster and more stable now. I use it on Vista and Win 7 with absolutely no problems. Uncle Bill has done it right this time.
Sorry NOT TRUE...
by REMincks - 4/17/09 7:09 PM In reply to: Not So Fast On Windows 7 by rabbit122851as to virus software available for Windows7 anything that will work on Vista or XP will run on windows7, but most Virus software companys( for examle Symantec, McAfee, AVG, to name just a few) already have versions especially designed to work better in Windows7 the best of which I have found to be Norton Security Suite 2009.
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