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Buzz Out Loud Lounge: Windows 7 First Impressions

by Slikkster - 11/10/08 12:56 PM
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Windows 7 First Impressions

by Slikkster - 11/10/08 12:56 PM

A geek friend of mine got his hands on the 6801 Windows 7 build that's "floating" around the net these days. I watched the install on his machine, and I'd have to say it's pretty impressive even with this early build. Virtually everything he has on his machine works. Now, sometimes that required Vista drivers, and sometimes even XP drivers. He has an Nvidia Nforce2 board that's not even supported for Vista, much less Windows 7.

Basically, I'd say it's pretty darn robust even with this milestone build. It looks sweet, and UAC is so unobtrusive. I'd equate it to how Mac OSX handles UAC. You're asked once, basically, and that's it, from what I could see.

Software/hardware that worked of interest: AVG 8 Free, Avermedia's Media Center app with Aver A180 ATSC tuner (although while watching some HDTV on it, it did bluescreen an Nvidia driver after a bit), Geforce 6800 video with latest Nvidia Vista 32-bit drivers, Artec USB scanner software (took some hoop jumping for that!), Creative Audigy 2 ZS, etc. I don't think I'm leaving out much. Oh yeah, he had a Canon Printer that didn't even have Vista drivers, so he tried the XP download and voila, it worked!

One thing we noticed was that Windows 7 (and he said Vista, too) doesn't like installing on Nforce2 boards that have three DDR sticks of ram in them. Nforce2 is kind of weird in that it stays in "dual channel" mode even when 3 sticks (3 gigs, total) of RAM are in the box. Anyway, XP Pro doesn't have any issue with it, but he had to pull a stick out of the non-dual channel slot for Windows 7 and it installed fine. Otherwise, it would bluescreen during the install process everytime with all three sticks in. YMMV, of course.

Anyway, aside from the one bluescreen while using the TV tuner media app, it was rock solid. I'd have to say that I would have no doubt that Microsoft could get this thing out the door by next summer given the build quality that's already there.

I didn't have time to stick around to find out if he successfully did the Taskbar trick that enables the funky new 7 taskbar, but I did tell him where to find it on lifehacker. I'll report back on that when I see his machine in a couple of days or so.

But I do have to say, so far, so good. This is much, much smoother than typical alpha/beta software, in my view. Time will tell if it stays that way, of course, given the old Longhorn history. But good on ya, Microsoft. Keep the pork out between now and next summer, and you've got yourself a winner.

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I like the task bar

by Nicholas Buenk - 11/10/08 6:26 PM In reply to: Windows 7 First Impressions by Slikkster

I've wanted the os x dock to show open windows like that for a while.

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that task bar

by mementh - 11/10/08 7:59 PM In reply to: Windows 7 First Impressions by Slikkster

*crazy rant begin*
I know I am not alone in the taskbar upgrade in saying..

Subtle changes please.

Give us old foggies some resibalance to our old "classic windows 95" taskbar. (even if its just a theme)

From what I have heard the taskbar is something between what we use today and the start menu.

Personally I like the start menu so everythings there, just some things are tucked away in case I ever need them.
I don't want ALL my programs to be in the task bar and I don't want ALL my data to be tracked.
I don't want my web browser recording my sites.
I don't want my file browser recording the directories I go to.

Its not that I want the privacy, its that I DO NOT NEED THAT INFORMATION!!!

Its information I ALREADY KNOW! I go there all the time, I know what I visit. I don't need some program being a nanny to me. *sigh*



Windows 7 Team, I am not saying your doing wrong by putting these options in, someone might use them, but i would assume most people want things to just work for work and reliability.
Don't stop innovating, just give us the customization to make it look/feel the way we want.

Let us turn off tracking for one.
Let us change the style/theme/size to make it look and act like the task bar of old.

Don't assume the "Ribbon" interface is best, not everyone uses key combos (which was the only way to use the "old" system in office).

Even if your interface is new and works good in test groups of people that were not "used" to using something.. don't assume those that have been using something for 10+ years can or will change in one version.


*crazy rant over*

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Remember Picasso

by Nicholas Buenk - 11/11/08 3:02 AM In reply to: that task bar by mementh

"Every act of creation is first of all an act of distruction."
If you can't face change, you can't face progress.

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don't know picasso

by mementh - 11/11/08 4:22 PM In reply to: Remember Picasso by Nicholas Buenk

but i do know that people don't like change.

All I say is if you want to innovate make sure that the innovation can keep up with people staying simalar.

Why is it that we have for example in mozilla with a hugely customizable UI.. windows 3.1 and such UI themes?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1221
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3471
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7912


I don't mind progress.. but i belive there should be some reason behind it.

If the windows team is good, they will allow themes for the task bar and huge customization options so that people can do what they want..

which would imho make it better and give them more ideas to work with for the next version

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Relax...

by Y2K Blackout - 11/15/08 10:34 AM In reply to: don't know picasso by mementh

IF you don't like all of the changes that Windows 7 is implementing, rest assured that there will be a way to have the classic forms of all its innovations, like the taskbar.

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I agree

by Ed-duh-win - 11/14/08 7:34 PM In reply to: Windows 7 First Impressions by Slikkster

I've been using Windows 7 solely for the last 2 weeks, and I must say, I agree with you. Everything works straight out of the box. A lot more smoother and faster boot and install too. My laptop boots into Windows 7 in a minute, while on Vista it takes 2 minutes.

It's a great step forward for Microsoft. Now only if they would do what Apple did with their OS 9; completely purge the codes, then start from scratch.

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Well

by Nicholas Buenk - 11/14/08 7:51 PM In reply to: I agree by Ed-duh-win

OS X is not exactly a complete rewrite, it is a rename and major revision to the nextstep os, which apple brought along with Steve jobs in 1996, an os that really had no relation to os9 still.

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Ah

by Ed-duh-win - 11/14/08 8:05 PM In reply to: Well by Nicholas Buenk

I see. Well, although it wasn't a complete rewrite, I guess it still did what it was supposed to do, work in a range of whole new concepts.

Microsoft needs to do that with Windows desperately. Right now, it's rather bloated, with over a few million lines of code. If they can ditch it all, rewrite the operating system from scratch to minimize resource use and increase efficiency, while retaining an emulation device like Apple to make the new OS work with programs designed for the previous generation.

That would revitalize the bloated Windows that it has become. And Windows 7 is a step in the right direction; with less resource use, I find it a lot better on my laptop than Vista.

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Virtualization

by Slikkster - 11/15/08 5:28 AM In reply to: Ah by Ed-duh-win

My thoughts are these: MS has a couple of options (as does every other OS/Software maker). As pc's become more and more powerful with greater amounts of speedy ram, it would be quite easy to run virtual machines at very usable processing rates to run older coded software. That would provide an out to ditch the code, as it were.

But what seems to be the course is to go to the cloud route. Of course, that won't always work when there's no universal online access. But that looks like where companies are headed.

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White-Paper Rewrite

by mwooge - 11/15/08 8:25 AM In reply to: I agree by Ed-duh-win

> Now only if they would do what Apple did with
> their OS 9; completely purge the codes, then
> start from scratch.


I've been saying this for years.

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Win7

by jamepie - 11/15/08 7:17 PM In reply to: Windows 7 First Impressions by Slikkster

Where is Win7 to test?

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Windows 7 is NOT publicly available...

by John.Wilkinson Moderator - 11/15/08 7:33 PM In reply to: Win7 by jamepie

The latest builds are limited to internal alpha testing while older/more stable builds are available to select individuals. (Those who attended the PDC, various Microsoft partners, and a limited number of influencers.) Those who want to try Windows 7 will have to wait for the public beta, though there is speculation that it will be somewhat limited as well rather than be available for general download like the later Vista betas and release candidates were.

John


P.S. Please note that any posts mentioning illegal or otherwise unauthorized downloads of Windows 7 may be subject to deletion without notification.

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Reviving old hard drives with different operating systems ?

by mevila - 1/16/09 10:37 PM In reply to: Windows 7 First Impressions by Slikkster

Is there a way to erase an older hard drive that has a system (windows 95). I mainly first would like to retreve some of it's photo collections. My present system is a Gateway GM5084 using win XP3. The older hard drive is taken from a Dell machine . I have been buying computers since 1998 and have a collection of three hard drives that are good but i'm not willing to install for fear of distroying my present system. For years I had trouble with three different systems crashing at odd times and would go crazy as to what caused the problem. I came to realize it was a intermittant short of the phone line between the street and the phone connection box on the outside of the house. the electrical componets were decayed and it was due to some service person from ther phone company letting the door opene and the rain and snow caused the damage to the circutry. This costs me the buying of three different computers over the years. All because the phone techs did not do thir job and test for the problem. After the phone box was replaced my computer work perfectly. At age 73, I am sure that the tech were just to lazy or stupid to take my suggestion of the problem becauise when it finally was solved it was what I knew all along.

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Start a new thread with this topic

by Slikkster - 1/17/09 3:21 AM In reply to: Reviving old hard drives with different operating systems ? by mevila

Hi, I'll be glad to help you, but this question really doesn't have anything to do with the original topic. So, why not start a new "thread" (topic) here with your question as written. You'll get quick replies. Short answer: yes. Details when you post the new topic.

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