Buzz Out Loud Lounge: Google's New "Chrome" browser will hurt...Firefox?
Google's New "Chrome" browser will hurt...Firefox?
by Slikkster - 9/2/08 5:46 AMI'm reading about the new Google web browser (still can't download it) called "Chrome". Some of the news stories are painting this as "Google takes another shot at Microsoft", as if Chrome will only affect Microsoft's Internet Explorer. I don't see that; at least not yet, anyway.
There are already many alternative browsers to IE, with Firefox being the most dominant of the group. If IE users are tempted to switch to SOMETHING, why would they wait for Google's browser vs. Firefox (or Opera, Safari, etc.)?
I see this as potentially muddying the alternative browser front, vs. harming IE's share, primarily. Thoughts?
It hurts Firefox not IE.
by isting - 9/2/08 8:12 AM In reply to: Google's New "Chrome" browser will hurt...Firefox? by SlikksterChrome is more of a threat to Firefox than IE. IE users are mostly not tech savvy and don't know how to install another browser. Firefox users will try Chrome and may switch if it is good enough.
IE users not capable of installing another browser?
by c.b.mullen - 9/6/08 10:09 AM In reply to: It hurts Firefox not IE. by istingWhat a pompous remark! Who are you to judge whether or not IE users are capable of installing another browser? Your condescending and incorrect remark is neither desired nor appreciated.
I've used Safari and don't like it. I occasionally use Firefox but I prefer IE, especially the IE8 Beta 2.
I will never install anything Google on my computers. Google's only interest is to capture all the personal information and web browsing habits of its users and sell the information to third party companies. If you care about your privacy you will not install any Google applications on your computer.
You right
by broiled049 - 9/7/08 2:03 AM In reply to: IE users not capable of installing another browser? by c.b.mullenGoogle have some problems for now.
You are right
by Racc - 9/8/08 9:14 AM In reply to: IE users not capable of installing another browser? by c.b.mullenIt is true that many people use IE because they like it better after trying other browsers. However, it is also true that the vast majority of Windows users have never tried another browser simply because what is included with the computer is good enough. It is not that they cannot install another browser, it is simply that they don't want to bother. I did once an experiment in a computer available to many students: I designated Firefox as the default browser, put the Firefox shortcut icon on the desktop, renamed it "Internet", and removed the MSIE icon from the desktop. Not a single user looked for MSIE in the Start menu, and *it was* installed.
I've installed several browsers, none are perfect
by albizzia - 9/7/08 6:49 PM In reply to: It hurts Firefox not IE. by istingI've tried Firefox and was not impressed, went back to IE7 as IE7 has a clean interface with minimal toolbars and maximal space for the web page.
Safari was even worse. Who at apple came up with the stupid idea of loading the bookmarks/favorites as a web page, very sloooowly? In typical Apple fashion, it insisted on inserting its own entries into the bookmarks. Safari was supposed to be fast, but that wasn't what I found.
Chrome is a serious challenger to IE, it is noticeably faster than IE and has many slick features missing from IE. Like IE7 it displays less toolbars and more web page than FF or Safari (but IE7 still has Chrome beat in web page size, with a full screen mode and a nifty page zoom function missing from Chrome). It still has a few bugs and crashes occasionally, that's to be expected in a beta version. It handle crashes well, usually closing just the offending tab.
Chrome has a few peculiarities. When the favorites/bookmarks were imported from IE, it picked several at random and displayed them across the bookmark bar, apparently for convenience sake - but none were frequently used, or recently used, or recently added. I wish it would have asked me to pick which ones I wanted there, that would have been more convenient and useful.
Still, Chrome is the first alternative to IE that I can honestly say I prefer.
speed
by mindpower - 9/10/08 6:46 AM In reply to: I've installed several browsers, none are perfect by albizziaLOL, I think the numerous benchmarks of browsers strongly disagree with your "IE is fastest" sentiment. There's also a full-screen view for Firefox, try pressing F11. In terms of layout, you can easily show or hide any of Firefox's toolbars from the View menu. I have just an address bar with the forward, back and reload buttons. Pretty minimal hey? As for having bookmarks and favourites as a web page, Opera does this too.
Maybe you should learn a bit more about browsers before offering another opinion.
Harming IE's Share???
by tango_fox1 - 9/2/08 8:15 AM In reply to: Google's New "Chrome" browser will hurt...Firefox? by SlikksterI for one don't use IE not even at work but when you look at their share of the browser market it will just add an alternative which is good for everyone. My hope is that this will cause users to realise that there is more to browsing than IE and it will help improve the standards compliance by browsers.
Lacking the zoom feature of Firefox 3
by Zarakand - 9/2/08 12:13 PM In reply to: Harming IE's Share??? by tango_fox1I tried it for a little bit, but found it dissapointing since it lacked the progressive zoom of Firefox 3. On a wide screen monitor that feature is a must!
It also lacks a built in spell check. For example it will underline words in red that are incorrect but right clicking will not bring up a list of correct spellings. Little features like this I'm sure will be addressed in the next version.
Very fast, but a few things missing...
by albizzia - 9/7/08 6:13 PM In reply to: Lacking the zoom feature of Firefox 3 by ZarakandI didn't realize that the zoom was missing until you mentioned it. That can be useful for hard to see photos. It does have a limited "text zoom" under the page icon.
It does have a spell check of sorts, as the red underline indicates. When you right click a red underlined word, it pops up a menu, and if it has a clue to what the correct spelling might be, the guess or guesses are at the top of the menu. If it doesn't have a clue to the correct spelling (and that is often) then only the menu is shown. That can be a bit confusing, perhaps it should say something like
"??what??"
Share???
by Slikkster - 9/2/08 1:08 PM In reply to: Harming IE's Share??? by tango_fox1Yes, market share. That's just a stat, not a preference.
Google's New "Chrome" browser will hurt...Firefox?
by wizkids32 - 9/2/08 2:17 PM In reply to: Google's New "Chrome" browser will hurt...Firefox? by SlikksterDon't think so because I am not going to use it at all.
Chrome-o-rama
by zefyr66 - 9/2/08 5:18 PM In reply to: Google's New "Chrome" browser will hurt...Firefox? by SlikksterThis thing is screaming fast. Have you seen the stats. Javascript is at least 10 times faster, much more sometimes. Im sticking w it. The speed is so nice. It actually does make it seem like an OS.
Chrome and FF re: Javavscript
by GERRY RAINS - 9/6/08 9:07 PM In reply to: Chrome-o-rama by zefyr66Quoting:
Chrome-o-rama
by zefyr66 - 9/2/08 5:18 PM
"This thing is screaming fast. Have you seen the stats. Java script is at least 10 times faster, much more sometimes. Im sticking w it. The speed is so nice. It actually does make it seem like an OS."
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What you said is absolutely true relative to FF 3.01.
However, FF3.1 (now in beta) blows Chrome out of the water re Java script. When FF 3.1 comes out in final form it will then be up to Google to try to match FF 3.1 in this area, since FF 3.1 is superior to Chrome in so many other ways. Of course the EULA for Chrome essentially sells your soul to Google. A fool and his information are soon available to the most mendacious and ambitious company this side of Microsoft. Mozilla doesn't want your information, but Google sure does.
No threat to FF on my machines
by koolkris - 9/2/08 6:27 PM In reply to: Google's New "Chrome" browser will hurt...Firefox? by SlikksterThe first thing I disliked about Chrome was that there's no choice where it installs. The C drive on my laptop is full and I've been installing all programs on the D drive. (I uninstalled Google Earth and Acrobat Reader for the same reason.)
I don't have a speed problem in FF3, I love the add-ons and have tweaked it to my liking. The zoom feature is a necessity for me. There was nothing about Chrome that excited me. I have now uninstalled it.
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