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Buzz Out Loud Lounge: Microsoft interoperability. (note: Rather long post)

by chustar - 7/2/08 11:29 PM
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Microsoft interoperability. (note: Rather long post)

by chustar - 7/2/08 11:29 PM

I've always found the whole "interoperability" thing a little confusing. Why should Microsoft care whether Linux can inter operate with Windows? Shouldn't their main concern be Windows and their profits?
On the other hand, without interoperability oversight, Microsoft would likely gouge the customers for everything they can get legally and then some just because. But then, isn't that what competition is for? If Microsoft abuses their customers, the should simply get up and move en masse to a competitor. But if they can't move their data to the competitors, then interoperability is needed.
So, I can understand why government step in and mandate interoperability, but why should there need to be alternatives in the first place? If Microsoft allowed all their competitors to die, then people would be robbed of choice and have to take whatever is offered (circling back to the gouging mentioned earlier.) But then again, is it Microsoft that should support these competitors or the consumers/governments that want to have choice?
Which brings me to another point, what's the point of having a choice if you never exercise it? For years, people had the choice of Windows and Macs, but they chose Windows. I know Microsoft had their deal with OEMs, but Apple could have made the same deal ( I think they did towards the Second Coming of Steve Jobs, but I'm not sure so I'll leave it out of the argument). Interoperabilty gives people choice between one product and another, Microsoft versus Linux/MAC but if they don't excercise those rights and actually use the tools that this has made possible (eg. OpenOffice.org) then why should Microsoft be forced to still provide all these tools to people?

Finally, I still don't get why Microsoft should care one bit about the failure of their competitors. I know that the monopoly law in Europe has some clause about how the monopoly company must do everything in its power to ensure that it has a valid competitor in the field. But, if its not in the best interests of the shareholders, should the governments still force them to make such decisions? It feels like it should be the government that props up these companies rather than punishing the monopoly company simply for doing well (as long as they didn't gain that monopoly through shenanigans). After all, if new laws cannibalize their profits enough, the shareholders will simply walk away from the company and leave their employees without jobs.

So this is what a train of thought looks like. I wonder if anyone would be interested in arguing it?

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Hmm...

by Renegade Knight - 7/3/08 11:58 AM In reply to: Microsoft interoperability. (note: Rather long post) by chustar

Lots of points in your post.

Why MS may want to offer interoperability.

If MS offers it and others don't using MS won't hurt you but using the others may.

As for MS competition kicking off. Yup. No skin off their back. They could quit developing windows versions faster than some folks change underwear.

Why choices? Why not?

Why not exertice the choice when you have them? Well, you should kick the tires but eventually make your choice. Then live with it. I know a lot about the Windows World. Not so much about the others. I'm fluent in Window and can get things done. If I tried to run Windows, Linux, OS/X etc. I'd be good at all and master of none. Then I'd have to rely on others for the advanced tips.

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Free markets are good

by Nicholas Buenk - 7/6/08 1:48 AM In reply to: Microsoft interoperability. (note: Rather long post) by chustar

I'd say the opposite of a free market is a monopoly. A monopoly is a corporate empire (cue the stalin puns). Whether you have a monopoly created by government intervention and ownership of an industry or just from technological factors, the results are the same. A monopoly is no different to having the government run something, what makes capitalism work, is competition.
Interoperability needs to be forced, if competitors are forced to reverse engineer Microsoft's technologies to work with windows computers, that is definitely going to inhibit their ability to make a competitive product. There are many examples of the problems this creates. The the lack of read/write NTFS drivers on OS X and Linux (although there is of course fuse but that's rather recent). Compatibility issues with active directory and SMB. It goes on..

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Your right they should not provide interoperability but

by Dango517 - 7/9/08 3:49 AM In reply to: Microsoft interoperability. (note: Rather long post) by chustar

maybe there customers are asking for it. Important customers like Businesses. Besides ever interoperatable program provides Microsoft a chance to "show there wares" and convert another customer. If Microsoft ever has competition it will not be from Linux or Mac, it will be from Russia, China, Japan or India. My guess would be India. Besides, no one wants too look to selfish. In this game looks are important.

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Is there no self-interest in interoperability?

by brooklyn redneck - 7/10/08 10:03 PM In reply to: Microsoft interoperability. (note: Rather long post) by chustar

I found this thread very interesting in regard to the ambivalence expressed over Microsoft's promotion of interoperability.

I am curious what other kinds of self-interest we might consider as a motivation for a dominant player in this industry. I have some thoughts, but I am more interested in what others see.

I blogged about the discussion here and I have created a thread on one of the Interoperability Forums that Microsoft has set up. Take a look: http://forums.community.microsoft.com/en-US/interopconversations/thread/ac9cff28-e0ca-4c15-8769-8c18b9ca025f

- orcmid
http://orcmid.com/blog

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I Hope the CEO sees it as well.

by Dango517 - 7/10/08 10:40 PM In reply to: Is there no self-interest in interoperability? by brooklyn redneck

Send it to him. Tell him also that your monopoly will come to an end, it is unjust. Most see it. You do as well. You should fear this truth and begin correcting it now. I believe yours is a good company, I trust you will take the right action and begin shortly.

Dan G.

July 11, 2008

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I should clarify my view ;)

by Nicholas Buenk - 7/11/08 4:54 AM In reply to: Is there no self-interest in interoperability? by brooklyn redneck

Microsoft should be required to properly and completely document their standards. Beyond that it's up to the competitors to make a good product.

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