Question:
Greetings, I am running Windows XP Pro SP2 on a custom
machine. My wife and I purchased this machine in 2004. We
haven't had many problems with it but recently the computer
has developed a hum while running. I fear that somethingg is
happening to the hard drive or power supply. Is there a way
to troubleshoot this ahead of time to avoid a costly repair
and potential loss of data? Please advise me on all possible
scenarios and solutions, so I can narrow down this cause.
Thanks!
Submitted by: Mike S.
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Be a Detective
Ah, the hum problem, a real hummer, so to speak.
You'll need to be a detective, but your initial sense of what may be wrong is very likely on target. First, before you turn on your computer, remove the side of your computer case. Then, when you turn on your computer put your head next to the open side and see if you can identify from whence the hum is coming.
If you can't identify the source that way, a little trial and error may work. With your computer off and unplugged (make sure that the little light on the motherboard is off -- as long as your computer is plugged in, it will be receiving some electricity -- so unplug it and the light should go off after a few seconds). Then unplug one of the case fans. Plug in the computer and reboot. IF the hum is gone you know that the fan you unplugged is the culprit. Replacing case fans is inexpensive and easy -- although it is possible that the fan is simply really dirty. Try each case fan this way, one by one.
Another possible culprit is the fan atop your heat sink on your CPU. Chances are pretty good it's clogged with dust if you've never cleaned it in the four years you've had the computer. First, though, test the fan by unplugging it's power cord from the motherboard while the computer is unplugged. Then turn on the computer and reboot. If no noise, you've found the culprit. Quickly shut down the computer (within a minute or two at the longest) and replace the fan or clean it as explained in the next paragraph. Do not run the computer longer than a minute or two without the fan on the heat sink -- you don't want to let the CPU overheat (which could destroy it).
If it looks dirty, you might to try spraying it (when the computer is off and unplugged) with compressed air like Perfect Duster or Dustoff -- cans cost $3 to $5. Just be sure to follow directions and do not tilt the can while spraying (if you do liquid could come out in addition to the air). If the CPU heat sink's fan is clearly dirty and you're comfortable working inside the computer, you might be better off removing the fan and then cleaning it or replacing it. Some fans are easily removable from heat sinks; some are not. If this is stock heatsink/fan combo, you can probably remove the fan via four screws -- just very careful and don't let any screws or washers fall into the computer. Take the fan to your local computer store and get the same size to replace it -- making sure you have the same sort of connector to the motherboard as your original fan.
If the hummer isn't one of these fans, it could be the power supply or a hard drive. Frankly, if it's the power supply, I would think you could determine that via the hearing test described above. But if you can't tell, the only way to test the power supply is to try another one in its place. Since places like Best Buy and Fry's Electronics allow returns without penalty (as long as the item is resellable with full packaging etc.), buy a new power supply there that has at least the same wattage as your current one (it should say what it is on the side or in your computer's documentation). One possible hitch -- if your computer is a Dell, it might use only Dell's proprietary power supplies. Replacing a power supply is a pain, but not really difficult, just time consuming and exacting. You'll need to unscrew the 4 screws that hold it in (from the back of the computer case) and make sure that it doesn't fall into the case. First, you may want to unplug the power supply's various cables from the motherboard (you'll need to squeeze a small "handle" on the one or two cables that go to the motherboard) and from the components like the floppy drive, hard drive, CD/DVD drive, possibly some fans, maybe even the video card. Since your machine is four years old, it probably has an IDE hard drive, so you won't have to worry about Serial ATA cables. To play it safe, you might want to make drawing of where all the power cables plug in.
When replacing the power supply, reverse the process. You must first mount the new power supply first by screwing it in place, and then connect all the power cables. Be gentle, but firm, especially with the one or two cables for the motherboard since you do not want to bend the motherboard (which could break it). A lot of power supplies come with printed instructions. And don't buy some cheapo-cheapo power supply -- you get what you pay for. Stick to a name brand like CoolerMaster, OCZ, Thermaltake, X-Infinity. I'm cautious about Antec since I've had nothing but hassles with their overpriced power supplies -- so I haven't used them for at least 4 years. Maybe they've improved their quality control by now. You might want to go to newegg.com and read the user comments about a board before you buy it.
If it's not a fan or power supply, the hum could be coming from a CD or DVD drive or your hard drive. With the computer off and unplugged, unplug the power supply cable from your CD or DVD Drive. Then restart the computer. If the hum doesn't come back you've got your culprit (actually if you get the hum only when there's a CD or DVD in the drive, that's a sure sign that's the culprit). New recordable DVD/CD drives are available on sale for as little as $25. You should be able to score a good one for $25 to $45 online like at egghead.com or mwave.com. Replacing it isn't hard depending on your computer case. Follow the printed instructions that come with the drive. Be sure to unplug the computer, unplug your power cable and data cable. Removing the drive depends on your case -- there are too many variations. Most likely, though, it's screwed in with two screws on one side (and maybe two on the other side as well - in which case you'll have to remove the other side of the case too, pun intended). Slide the drive out through the front of the case. (Of course, replacing it can get funky if it's one of those propriety cool looking drives matched to the case in which case you'll need to get the replacement from your computer manufacturer.) Be sure to set the jumper on the back of the new drive to the same setting as the old drive (those wonderfully offensive terms "master" or "slave" -- why can't the IT industry use "primary" or "secondary" instead?).
If none of these is the culprit, it's likely to be your hard drive -- and it's likely that your hard drive could be on its last legs. Hard drives tend to last three to six years depending on use. Buy a new one (if the data cable is a wide cable, it's an IDE drive; if it's a narrow, say 1/2 inch wide cable, it's a serial ATA drive) that is the same type. If your current hard drive's capacity is less than 130 gigabytes, check with your computer's manufacturer to see if the computer's BIOS can support a larger hard drive. You may need to update the bios (the manufacturer will give you instructions online). If it can support a larger drive, go wild and get one. Hard drives of 160 GB size can generally be had for as little as $60 these days. Stick with name brands like Hitachi, Samsung, Western Digital, and Seagate.
You will want to clone your current hard drive to the new one. You'll need to install the blank new hard drive and format it. This can get complicated. It's very likely that the printed instructions that come with your new hard drive will walk you through the process. (Just make sure you buy a boxed new hard drive.) The drive will likely include a CD with software to install the new drive and clone the old one onto it. If not, software like Acronis True Image Home works great for cloning. There are also freeware programs available as well as other purchasable ones.
That pretty much covers all the possibilities. Put on your Sherlock Holmes cap and start detecting.
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Submitted by CNET member dlauber
While this hum can be any caused by any variables--fans, hard drives, etc..., if you have any additional advice or recommendations for Mike, please list all possible solutions in detail. Thanks!
Had this happen to many machines. Most likely the power supply. Since it's a custom machine, easy fix since it likely uses standard size power supply. Harddrives don't usually hum, in my experience, when they're going bad. Noise is more grating and disturbing. Do try cleaning the fan on your power supply first, you'll be shocked how filthy these get.
You need to locate the exact source of the hum. Actually, neither the power supply nor the hard drive is likely, although at the same time neither is impossible. You can start with your ears, but it's not always possible to find the source of a noise that way, although it's always a good way to start.
The first culprits I'd go after are the fans (bearnings & out of balance fan blades (perhaps chipped) can do this). The best way to see if a fan is causing a noise is to stop them. You can do this by sticking an eraser or other ideally somewhat soft object either onto the fan central hub or, if absolutely necessary, into the fan blades themselves (while they are running). Note that some computers have as many as 7 to 9 fans in them (case fans, power supply fans, CPU fan, chipset fan, fans inside CD/DVD drives, video card fan .....). They all have to be tested (including those inside the power supply ... don't stick anything metal into the power supply). If the noise stops when the fan stops ....
The next thing I'd look at, for a hum noise, is the speakers. You have to deal with both your sound system speakers and the "beep" speaker inside the pc. Check them by unplugging them (the beep speaker plugs into the motherboard). I have seen cases where a hum was coming from a speaker because it was too close to another device. As an example, on one system I worked on, there was a "sub woofer" on the floor, part of a 3-way speaker system. It was placed next to a UPS (also on the floor) and it picked up hum from the UPS. Moving the speaker away from the UPS fixed that problem.
A hard drive is not a likely source of hum, but it's not impossible (the most likely cause would be an out of balance platter). Turn off the computer, disconnect it, and see if the hum is gone. However, obviously, Windows won't be starting so this will not absolutely isolate the cause even if the hum goes away (e.g. if the hum is coming from the sound card going into a speaker, you probably will kill the sound with this but it won't be the hard drive).
The key to this is finding the source of the hum. Good luck.
My guess is one of your fans is on it's way out. Could be any of the two or more in the box. If you are comfortable fooling around in the computer, you could try to determine which one it is by stopping them one at a time. If not, just take it to your neighborhood computer repair shop. It shouldn't cost more than $50 to fix it. If it were me, I'd stick with the computer you have, XP pro is great and there is no need to go to Vista unless you have software that won't run on XP.
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Leo V.
Take the side of the case off, turn the computer on, and listen carefully to the moving parts inside to locate where the hum is coming from. You don't have to put your hands or anything else into the running computer, just listen and you should be able to pinpoint the source of the noise. Odds are it's either the hard drive or one of the fans that is going bad. It might even be accumulated dust on one of the fans, and a good cleaning could buy you some more time before you need to replace it. Either way, these are relatively easy fixes (replacing a hard drive is usually simple; it just is a little time consuming to transfer the data from one to the other.)
Good luck!
I assume we're talking about a hum that's different from the normal rotational noise a hard-drive makes.
Without being able to hear it, goofy noises tend to be fans. They're just about the only moving parts to fail. In general they're cheap and easy to replace, requiring only a modicum of technical dexterity.
You may have several fans: one in the power supply, and one or more in the case.
If you know the specs for your motherboard, (or even better have the driver disk that came with it) you may be able to find a 'probe' program that will tell you your fan speeds and pertinent CPU/MB temperatures.
The only other hum-like noise I've ever heard from a PC is an unbalanced CD/DVD (the removable disk, not the drive), but that would be intemittent as you inserted/removed the disk.
Failing hard-disk drives usually make one of two noises:
a) an oscillating variation in the normal quiet hum, which actually sounds if it's speeding up and slowing down.
b) a very high pitched screeching (almost like a power saw blade) as the head contacts the spinning disk.
If we could hear the audio, I'm sure we could pin it down in no time.
Do you have the skills to pop open the cover and root around in there?
This particular problen is usually not rocket science to identify or fix.
If you're worried about your data, *NOW* is the time to get it all backed up. USB2.0 external hard-drives are quite low-priced. Do it now.
Good luck .....
I would suggest pulling the power cable from the Hard Drive and see if the hum goes away. If it's not the Hard Drive, then it's probably a fan somewhere in the system.
It will be hard to stop the power supply fan to see if that is where the hum is coming from. You could check other fans by pulling the power connection to each of the fans to see if stopping them makes the hum go away. Just make sure the case is open and don't run the system without fans for too long.
You could also just open the case up and try to listen to see if you can hear where the sound is coming from.
My Mac Pro has started making odd sounds recently. With modern systems, fans have variable speeds, so since my noise is changing in pitch, I know it's one of my fans.
Surprise, Mike, but I had the same thing a few years ago with a Commodore 128D. I found that my cooler fan was full of cat hair[believe it or not] Cleaned it up and it ran great. We someties ignore the static composition of motors. I may be wrong in your case - - but.
First things first, you need to get closer to the problem. Open that baby up and get your ear inside. Listen to the devices. You should be able to determine where the sound is coming from.
Two things first... make sure there is no CD in any optical drive (they can spin even when not in use and make noise) and second, make sure you touch the case and ground your self so that you do not cause any static discharge that could fry some components.
Typically, there are two to three fans inside the system. Start there as this is the easiest place to look. Listen to the power supply. Put your ear against it. If the fan is not running that is inside the power supply, that is telling you it is time to replace the power supply. It is very easy to do and should cost you around 30 to 40 dollars at the local computer store.
Next, look at the CPU fan and again, make sure it is running. Place your finger on the center of the fan and stop the blades. If you still hear the hum, it isn't the CPU fan. If your video card has it's own fan, follow the same steps as the CPU fan. If either is not working, these are easy and cheap to replace.
Finally, listen to the hard drive. If the hum is coming from here, it is time to back it up and replace it before it crashes and you lose data.
Good luck.
joe
In most computers there are only two things that are physically moving. One is the drives and the other is the fans.
One of them, or both, is causing the hum. Don't be afraid to take of the cover to the PC. If you can see all your fans, and one or more isn't turning, replace the fan. If the hum is coming from the drives, you might just have to replace the drives. If you can't replace them your self, find a good neighborhood computer store and take it there and have it done and over with.
Good Luck
mwh2385
Google on Steve Gibson. He's got a hard drive checker that has been around for years. Run it once a month to spot HD's going bad. It also can repair bad sectors, provide lots of data on your drive's health, etc.
Hi Mike,
Hum comes from moving parts; specifically, hard drives, CD/DVD drives and fans. Fans tend to be the most likely culprit because PC's are somewhat like vacuum cleaners...they pull dirty air inside while running because of the fans that exhaust hot air from hot components and the fans become clogged with dust. There is a fan in the power supply (sometimes two), usually a fan on the processor (proprietary designs sometimes use the power supply fan to cool the processor), and sometimes a fan on the video card (this can also be on an integrated video chip on the motherboard). There may also be one or more case fans. Place your hand behind the power supply to see if air is blowing out of it, indicating that the fan is running. Another clue to a defective power supply fan is that the top of the PC towards the rear will be hot.
If you open the case, you can (carefully) place your finger on the hub of the fan on the processor, stopping it momentarily. If the hum stops, you've found the culprit. You can try the same tactic for a fan on the video card or video chip on the motherboard. Case fans can be disconnected to check for hum from that source.
Assuming the fans are not the problem, check to see if there is a CD or DVD in the drive. Sometimes an out of balance disc will hum, or the CD/DVD drive may develop a hum. Turn the computer off, open the case and disconnect the power cable to the CD/DVD drive to isolate that. Turn the computer back on and listen for the hum.
If the fans and CD/DVD drive are OK, that tends to leave the hard drive. These babies spin at 5400 to 7200 RPM and develop a fair amount of heat. All rotating mechanical objects will eventually fail, and tend to make noises prior to failure. If you suspect the hard drive, be sure to back up all your data (best is to make an image of the hard drive using software such as Acronis True Image). To prove that the hard drive is the source of the hum (assuming the hum is constant), shut off the computer, open the case and unplug the power cable to the hard drive. Turn the computer on and if there is no hum, you've found the source.
I would add to hhjones43 to test HD use a boot disk\cd to start the computer to run long enough to here if thats the problem; Some software like power DVD will mess with your dvd\cdrom drive speeds that can make them make noise. Just reinstall your XPcd and restore your diver files for your drive's
the hum is probably one of the fans in your computer with a loose fan blade time to replace it
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